Interesting stats on Mariano Rivera

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    Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer ever, bar none. A certain HOFer who should be unanimous on the first ballot. Like every closer, he had moments when he didn't convert. As for '04, I like to credit Papi for being the greatest clutch hitter in Red Sox history instead of saying Rivera "blew it."  As for  the Game 7 in 2001, Gonzalez hit a little blooper to win it. It's not like he crushed Mo's cutter over the wall.

    You're  right, Zac, "a certain element" of RSN is a bit narrow minded when it comes to giving Rivera any credit. Most of us,  however, arent'.

    As for Chapman, if he could have half the career Rivera has as a closer, that's where he could be.

     

     
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    The cut fastball should now be called, "The Mariano Rivera" pitch.   :)

     

     
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    In response to LloydDobler's comment:

    Mariano Rivera is the greatest closer ever, bar none. A certain HOFer who should be unanimous on the first ballot. Like every closer, he had moments when he didn't convert. As for '04, I like to credit Papi for being the greatest clutch hitter in Red Sox history instead of saying Rivera "blew it."  As for  the Game 7 in 2001, Gonzalez hit a little blooper to win it. It's not like he crushed Mo's cutter over the wall.

    You're  right, Zac, "a certain element" of RSN is a bit narrow minded when it comes to giving Rivera any credit. Most of us,  however, arent'.

    As for Chapman, if he could have half the career Rivera has as a closer, that's where he could be.


    Lloyd, 

    I can only agree with you. Rivera's stats are so much better than anyone for an entire career spannning 18 seasons anyone in second place is not even close. Certainly other relievers have had great seasons equal to Rivera or possibly a two or three year stretch but none have produced year after year with such constant "great" success. A lifetime era of 2.21 and whip of .998 is pretty incredible. His worst season's era of 3.15 and in his last ten seasons his era has only been over 2.00 twice, one season at 2.16. 

    Hetch

     
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    Re: Interesting stats on Mariano Rivera

    posted at 3/17/2013 10:17 AM EDT

    • nhsteven
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    In response to S5's comment:

     

    Is there something wrong with a Red Sox fan recognizing that Rivera is/was a great closer??  

    What he did isn't as impressive as how he did it.  He could afford an occasional mistake because he was so overpowering when he DIDN'T make a mistake.  During his last year in Boston the second best closer in during MR's tenure (that would be Paps) was a heart attack waiting to happen.  A walk here, a single there, a long fly ball to the fence, then two men LOB.  Every outing was an adventure.  At the same time Rivera was having 1-2-3 innings.

    During this time Rivera was overmatching some of the best hitters in baseball in some very clutch situations.  Sure, occasionally someone caught up with him but on the whole there's nobody I'd rather have had closing games than Mariano Rivera.

    While I've always had my doubts about the value of the ordinary specialist-closer at the same time when a team has someone of the capability of Rivera, a money-in-the-bank closer, I have NO DOUBT about HIS value.

     



    Disagree; Paps in his prime was nearly Rivera's equal. His command went south some after toying with a sinker & pitch count efficiency (ala the great Radatz in the 60s, who got a sore arm as a result)

    Actually, what was most impressive was 2009, when MO had a painful shoulder-rib injury in the PS that restricted his top velocity to 87-88, yet still managed to get it done.

    .....though people had trouble with his style, IMO Paps got it done far more often than not..

     
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    Roll that around in your seam head. The greatest reliever in history, the Muhammad Ali of losers,

    directly accounted for six more Ws than the major-league norm. In 16 seasons. 



    looks like a failed exam


    what does wake & Mo have in common ?

     

     

    Rays manager Joe Maddon had nothing but great things to say about Mariano Rivera's career:

    "The best. The best ever at what he does. It will be a long time before you get somebody better than that, I think. The way he was able to be so consistent, unbelievably consistent, and the hotter the the game, the better he was. It's just incredible what he's done, and in such a simple manner. That's the part That's really so impressive. The guys would always yell from the bench, in a joking way, 'He's tipping his pitches!'' It's like Wakefield was always tipping his pitches but you couldn't hit him either. So here's a guy that everybody knew what was coming all the time and you still couldn't do anything with it. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable how he was nails. He nailed it.''

     

     

    'He's tipping his pitches!''


    great line from the very entertaining  maddon

     
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    Mo is the best closer in the history of the game. Period.

    There would be no other closer Id pick if I had my choice. paps was good while here and Foulke did great in 2004, but Id still take Mo if I had the choice...

     
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    This is from Paul Daugherty on Cincinnati.com. He's using some interesting statistics about Rivera as evidence that Aroldis Chapman would help the Reds more as a starter than closer. Whether you agree with that or not (or even care), these things are from an angle I hadnt considered before. How big an impact did Rivera REALLY have in the all important one run save? The kind pitchers like him are paid to convert? Cue yelling Yankees fans in 3, 2, 1..........GO!

     

    "Chapman will get far more starts than he would appearances in one-run, ninth-inning save situations. 

     

    Still not sold? A stat from my pal Joe Posnanski: 

     

    During his career, Mariano Rivera converted 140 of 158 one-run save chances, in the ninth inning. That’s a conversion percentage of .886. During the 2000s, according to Baseball Prospectus, the major league average was .848.

     

    Posnanski writes, “The average team with that lead would have been expected to hold the lead in 134 of those 158 games. With Mariano, the Yankees held the lead six more times over 16 seasons.’’

     

    Roll that around in your seam head. The greatest reliever in history, the Muhammad Ali of closers, directly accounted for six more Ws than the major-league norm. In 16 seasons. For a team that was winning a lot of games in those 16 years."




    But that only accounts for 1 run saves, as we saw last yr no lead was safe w/ Aceves as the closer. Bottomline if you have the best save % your still getting the job done better than everyone else? Its funny how people can take a stats to interpret just about anything they want. Guess what your trying to say is he's really not that good? Give me a break! I'm still haunted by that 3 inning of relief in 03 championship game, and one of my fondest memories are the 2x's Billy Mueller came thru against him in 04.

     

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