Is David Price our most "Realistic" Future Option For an Ace?

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    Projecting value vs. expected cost as F.A.'s , allowing for age, I like :

    Kershaw, Price, Cueto and Anderson in that order.

    But so much can happen.......especially after Rubby grows into Pedro II , anchoring rotation in 2014, and Webster seizes spot while doing his Derek Lowe with extra gas routine by August 2013.

    Add in Doubront's becoming another Teddy Higuera this year ( ??!!) along wth Lester & Buch regressing to their means and we appear loaded for SP's for 2014.

    Plus Barnes might develop some pitches to go with that fastball, and either Britton or Owens COULD be ready by 2014..........

    Now just find some power bats for 1b and rf. Deadline deal for Giancarlo Stanton ?   Say, hmmm, Barnes + Ranaudo + Brentz + Iglesias ?

     



    I like your list, but I might order it Cueto, Kershaw, Price Anderson. Getting Giancarlo Stanton here would be a great thing, but I think you might have to include Bogaerts or Bradley Jr. or both in your trade proposal before Loria would be even moderately interested.

     

     

      I assume you also consider Cueto would be less costly, thus equating good value. Somewhat unsure why so much love for Anderson. Really think long term deals for  30+ year old SP's not smart, 4 years tops.


     

    You're probably correct on Stanton's cost in trade, but I believe in holding onto Bogaerts & Bradley no matter what. Dittos for Webster & DeLaRosa. Anyone else in system fair game if we improve team. Call me crazy but I think Jackie B.Jr can be Brett Butler with a better arm, maybe a touch more power. And Xander ? Hmm, maybe another Nomar...but better attitude ? Spring fever has me a bit optimistic, methinks.

    For Stanton, offer as many Cubans as it would take ? ( ballplayers, not smokes,lol) Iggy, Linares, etc.

     




    I'm being extremely optimistic, but I think Xander could be Jim Rice with better wheels. As far as Bradley Jr. goes I'm not really sure who he reminds me of. Maybe Mike Cameron? Maybe Fred Lynn a little too. And color me crazy but I still like Linares. He did go yard yesterday. :-) But if you're out I think the only members of the JC Linares fan club are moonslav and myself.

     

    Nope,  still in on Linares big time ! But it appears  nobody in front office or scouting fraternity shares our opinion, and with JC's age the clock is definitely ticking....


    Although with injuries / wounds to Hassan , Brentz, Kalish etc. there may be a spot opening. Perhaps Ortiz misses time, Gomes and Napoli become dh's, and Carp continues to suck....whatever...would really like to see Linares become a big leaguer, think he has power/average/defense potential like Cespedes.

    Not certain Bogaerts has 40 HR potential, but easily see 30 along with .330 + B.A....and at either ss or 3b that would be awesomely excellent. Bradley Jr. as Fragile Freddy ? Hmm, not sure JBJ's arm, power, or batting avg. have same ceiling as Lynn, particularly his arm. But I certainly like the way you think !     (at least regarding baseball , lol)

     
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    Projecting value vs. expected cost as F.A.'s , allowing for age, I like :

    Kershaw, Price, Cueto and Anderson in that order.

    But so much can happen.......especially after Rubby grows into Pedro II , anchoring rotation in 2014, and Webster seizes spot while doing his Derek Lowe with extra gas routine by August 2013.

    Add in Doubront's becoming another Teddy Higuera this year ( ??!!) along wth Lester & Buch regressing to their means and we appear loaded for SP's for 2014.

    Plus Barnes might develop some pitches to go with that fastball, and either Britton or Owens COULD be ready by 2014..........

    Now just find some power bats for 1b and rf. Deadline deal for Giancarlo Stanton ?   Say, hmmm, Barnes + Ranaudo + Brentz + Iglesias ?

     



    I like your list, but I might order it Cueto, Kershaw, Price Anderson. Getting Giancarlo Stanton here would be a great thing, but I think you might have to include Bogaerts or Bradley Jr. or both in your trade proposal before Loria would be even moderately interested.

     

     

      I assume you also consider Cueto would be less costly, thus equating good value. Somewhat unsure why so much love for Anderson. Really think long term deals for  30+ year old SP's not smart, 4 years tops.


     

    You're probably correct on Stanton's cost in trade, but I believe in holding onto Bogaerts & Bradley no matter what. Dittos for Webster & DeLaRosa. Anyone else in system fair game if we improve team. Call me crazy but I think Jackie B.Jr can be Brett Butler with a better arm, maybe a touch more power. And Xander ? Hmm, maybe another Nomar...but better attitude ? Spring fever has me a bit optimistic, methinks.

    For Stanton, offer as many Cubans as it would take ? ( ballplayers, not smokes,lol) Iggy, Linares, etc.

     




    I'm being extremely optimistic, but I think Xander could be Jim Rice with better wheels. As far as Bradley Jr. goes I'm not really sure who he reminds me of. Maybe Mike Cameron? Maybe Fred Lynn a little too. And color me crazy but I still like Linares. He did go yard yesterday. :-) But if you're out I think the only members of the JC Linares fan club are moonslav and myself.

     

     

    Nope,  still in on Linares big time ! But it appears  nobody in front office or scouting fraternity shares our opinion, and with JC's age the clock is definitely ticking....


     

    Although with injuries / wounds to Hassan , Brentz, Kalish etc. there may be a spot opening. Perhaps Ortiz misses time, Gomes and Napoli become dh's, and Carp continues to suck....whatever...would really like to see Linares become a big leaguer, think he has power/average/defense potential like Cespedes.

    Not certain Bogaerts has 40 HR potential, but easily see 30 along with .330 + B.A....and at either ss or 3b that would be awesomely excellent. Bradley Jr. as Fragile Freddy ? Hmm, not sure JBJ's arm, power, or batting avg. have same ceiling as Lynn, particularly his arm. But I certainly like the way you think !     (at least regarding baseball , lol)



    I could say the same about you. Bradley though, has a very nice arm. I was reading somewhere that someone was saying that he has the best arm in the Red Sox' minor league system. He might not have quite the pop as Lynn did, but I think he might hit for as high an average and steal more bases. One guy the Sox might want to take a look at for first is Jose Abreu. He's been putting up insane numbers in Cuba.

     
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    Hadn't heard of Abreu before today's thread. Sounds like a monster, a la Frank Thomas. Does he hit left or right ?

    Can he hit in M.L. ?  How do we smuggle him out of , where was it....California, Venezuela, Cuba ?

    You know, ONE of those socialist people's republics with one party rule, no allowed dissent from official left-wing state-approved thought, economic misery for all but " chosen class "., etc. etc.

     
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    Dan Moore has his pro stats up on his sbnation blog. According to baseball reference he's a 6' 3" 240 lb. righty, and he'll be playing for team Cuba in the WBC this year. I reckon we could send all our Cubans; El Tiante, Iglesias, Linares and Ibarra on a recruiting mission. And this may shock you but we agree on a lot of things politically. It's just economics where our disagreements tend to arise. My hero was actually thrown out of Russia after the Bolsheviks took over.

     
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    Nope,  still in on Linares big time ! But it appears  nobody in front office or scouting fraternity shares our opinion, and with JC's age the clock is definitely ticking....

    I'm not sure Sox mangaement has given up on Linares, but since he does not have to be on the 40 man roster to keep him, he might be shut out of a chance at the bigs this year unless he blows away the competition.

    Once he has to be on the 40 man roster, then we will see how much Ben values him over others.

     
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    At what cost? FA pitching is getting crazy, Greinke highest paid pitcher in baseball this past FA? Imagine what Price will get, after Kershaw sign his extension for 200+ mil. Better to develope your own and have them relatively cheap and in team control for 6 yrs. Put all that $ into one player better hope he stays healthy and produces or team is in big trouble.

     
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    Anderson is the sneaky dark horse on that list.  However, he does have to actually stay healthy for a full season...

     



    True enough, but one could say he is "low mileage" for his age.

     

     



    I just can't believe you would prefer Anderson over Verlander because of age.

     

     




     

     

    Where does it say that?



    Sorry notin I replied on the wrong post. Moon highlighted 4 pitchers he liked the best Verlander was not one. If I can remember they were Anderson, Kershaw,Cueto and Price. I get that he is a few yrs older, Kershaw & Price are in his league but not Anderson or Cueto.

     
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    I just can't believe you would prefer Anderson over Verlander because of age.

     

     




     

     

    Where does it say that?

     



    Sorry notin I replied on the wrong post. Moon highlighted 4 pitchers he liked the best Verlander was not one. If I can remember they were Anderson, Kershaw,Cueto and Price. I get that he is a few yrs older, Kershaw & Price are in his league but not Anderson or Cueto.

     

     

    You got it wrong again. I never said I liked the 4 young pitchers better than Verlander or others, I wrote this on page 1:

                      I like the younger ones in bold.

    I bolded the young ones, because I think they may cost much less, and be better during the latter years of their contracts due to being younger. Also, their stock may be way up or way down by the time they hit the open market (if they ever do).

    Certainly, I'd take Verlander first with Price and a couple other close behind, but I happen to believe Detroit will lock him up before he becomes a FA

     
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    Certainly, I'd take Verlander first with Price and a couple other close behind, but I happen to believe Detroit will lock him up before he becomes a FA

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    it's likely all the names you listed (save Price and MAYBE Anderson) will be locked up prior to FA..

    Kershaw and Verlander are almost guarenteed not to hit the open market.

     
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    Certainly, I'd take Verlander first with Price and a couple other close behind, but I happen to believe Detroit will lock him up before he becomes a FA



    it's likely all the names you listed (save Price and MAYBE Anderson) will be locked up prior to FA..

    Kershaw and Verlander are almost guarenteed not to hit the open market.

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    Agreed. Not sure if Cincu will spring a big wad of cash for Cuerto.

     
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    Certainly, I'd take Verlander first with Price and a couple other close behind, but I happen to believe Detroit will lock him up before he becomes a FA

     



    it's likely all the names you listed (save Price and MAYBE Anderson) will be locked up prior to FA..

     

    Kershaw and Verlander are almost guarenteed not to hit the open market.

     



    Agreed. Not sure if Cincu will spring a big wad of cash for Cuerto.

     

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    if they don't i hope the sox do. Cueto is a stud

     
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    Gallardo is a stud. Dodgers resign Kershaw. Anderson and Cueto could be traded. I dont think the Sox and Rays ever make a deal.  

     
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    Gallardo is a stud. Dodgers resign Kershaw. Anderson and Cueto could be traded. I dont think the Sox and Rays ever make a deal.  



    I'd love to get Gallardo. He might even be available via trade, but it would cost some top prospects.

     
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