Will the fact that the Sox won 2 World Series save his job or is management unhappy with this team's complacency? This team is underperforming but you can't blame it all on Francona?
Will changing manager put this team in 2012 back in the playoffs or does Theo have to make more drastic moves and shake up this team?
Finally what type of manager should Theo hire?
Is Francona's job safe?
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Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/23/2011 8:56 AM EDT
- Bill-806'sTwin+
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Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/23/2011 10:03 AM EDT
- eggplants
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Definitely not safe. At the beginning of Spring Training a 4MM 2-yr extension was on the table for TF to take effect after the 2011 season. The buyout is about .5MM. At this point in time I don't think there is any chance TF gets the extension even if the RS get the Wild Card. As his performance sample gets larger, his missteps become more apparent, and overall lack of preparation becomes more evident, the only thing that might save him is Baseball Operations Dept.. He is a good soldier for these guys.He implements their program and takes the heat for their decisions. I still can't see JH throwing 4MM at him for another 2 Yrs. though. More like a graceful exit with parting gifts from Heide Watney. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/23/2011 10:18 AM EDT
- SpacemanEephus
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I am a staunch supporter of Francona. But, I think it is clear that his job is in jeopardy. Should they fail to make the Big Dance, it is certainly conceivable that he could fired this winter. But, even in that scenario, I think it more likely he would have at least the start of 2012 to right his ship. Of course, they could make the big dance. And, of course, against all the "experts" piling on of epitaphs, they could make a deep run. And, Francona would get big props for the very thing the "experts" are grilling him for at the moment: not panicking and keeping calm focus through the dark days. I myself am not sure about the merits of this approach anymore. It was brilliant in 04, 07, through the darkest of times, keeping guys loose and calmly focused. But, this club seems to have really lost focus ... and the calm must be coupled with focus in the psychology of competitive sports. We shall see. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/23/2011 10:21 AM EDT
- expitch
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In Response to Re: Is Francona's job safe?:I am a staunch supporter of Francona. But, I think it is clear that his job is in jeopardy. Should they fail to make the Big Dance, it is certainly conceivable that he could fired this winter. But, even in that scenario, I think it more likely he would have at least the start of 2012 to right his ship. Of course, they could make the big dance. And, of course, against all the "experts" piling on of epitaphs, they could make a deep run. And, Francona would get big props for the very thing the "experts" are grilling him for at the moment: not panicking and keeping calm focus through the dark days. I myself am not sure about the merits of this approach anymore. It was brilliant in 04, 07, through the darkest of times, keeping guys loose and calmly focused. But, this club seems to have really lost focus ... and the calm must be coupled with focus in the psychology of competitive sports. We shall see.
Posted by SpacemanEephusFairly stated. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 6:38 PM EDT
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Not if I were his boss.. he admitted to allowing games to go away early in the year... and well it bitt him in the AZZ -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 6:39 PM EDT
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I would only support firing Francona if Tito were forced to take Crawford with him. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 7:58 PM EDT
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He is gone and so is Theo. Let them manage the Lowell Spinners or the Amarillo Gold Sox. Two idiots in search of new villages to ruin! -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 8:17 PM EDT
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In Response to Is Francona's job safe?:Will the fact that the Sox won 2 World Series save his job or is management unhappy with this team's complacency? This team is underperforming but you can't blame it all on Francona? Will changing manager put this team in 2012 back in the playoffs or does Theo have to make more drastic moves and shake up this team? Finally what type of manager should Theo hire?
Posted by Bill-806'sTwin+
Do you understand that Not one poster on here would never ever be qualfied to manage a pro team yet everyone has all the answers -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 8:22 PM EDT
- bingobilly
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When the you-know-what hits the fan in any business nobody or no job is safe... -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 8:24 PM EDT
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Yeah, we understand it's a message board.And yeah, if you believe Gammons and watched today's game, Terry is likely to be toast. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 8:44 PM EDT
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Would Bill Belichick tolerate a Little League mistake like Aviles made today? Would he tolerate Lackey's performance and attitude?
Sit and Spit has had the best seat in the house for 8 years. It is time to move on, the team needs a leader that holds his players accountable. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 9:00 PM EDT
- soxdawg08
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Hard to say. I do know that if the Sox miss the PS this season, it make it 3 of 4 since they won it all in 2007. I think the seat is growing warm. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 9:14 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Is Francona's job safe?:I would only support firing Francona if Tito were forced to take Crawford with him.
Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost
He should also take Lackey with him. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 9:19 PM EDT
- carnie
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In Response to Re: Is Francona's job safe?:Hard to say. I do know that if the Sox miss the PS this season, it make it 3 of 4 since they won it all in 2007. I think the seat is growing warm.When was the last time Bellichik won with the pats?
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Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 9:29 PM EDT
- NHSOUTH
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By tomorrow night, it should be clear that Francona will not be Manager next year. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 10:21 PM EDT
- LloydDobler
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Nobody is safe. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/24/2011 10:40 PM EDT
- itllnevahapn
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its either him or theo. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/25/2011 7:04 PM EDT
- SilverSun
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In Response to Re: Is Francona's job safe?:its either him or theo.
Posted by itllnevahapn
Don't you think it should be both? -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/25/2011 7:12 PM EDT
- ct-pitcher
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In Response to Is Francona's job safe?:Will the fact that the Sox won 2 World Series save his job or is management unhappy with this team's complacency? This team is underperforming but you can't blame it all on Francona? Will changing manager put this team in 2012 back in the playoffs or does Theo have to make more drastic moves and shake up this team? Finally what type of manager should Theo hire?
Posted by Bill-806'sTwin+
$168 mil payroll for this epic level of a collapse across the board from hitting to pitching to defense in the field? Think of how "few" people who play or work for the RS are "safe" under these circumstances - Tito is just the first among many. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/25/2011 7:15 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Is Francona's job safe?:In Response to Is Francona's job safe? : Do you understand that Not one poster on here would never ever be qualfied to manage a pro team yet everyone has all the answers
Posted by donrd4
This is a brilliant observation that has escaped everyone who posts on every message board everywhere.
Note to the nice folks at boston.com who thoughtfully put this message board here so that we, the great unwashed and unworthy masses to comment on things about which we know little and in which we have even less experience - close this down so donrd4 can be relieved of his pain. -
Re: Is Francona's job safe?
posted at 9/25/2011 7:19 PM EDT
- Scott8340
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Fire Francona!