Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from SoxPatsCelts1988. Show SoxPatsCelts1988's posts

    Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    When I say "should have been" I really mean "better".

    He was compared to Sizemore when he first came up but the lack of power put an end to these comparisons.  Now he's proving everyone wrong and is turning into arguably the best 5 tool player in the game today. 

    For the record:  Ellsbury /> Granderson
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from craze4sox. Show craze4sox's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]When I say "should have been" I really mean "better". He was compared to Sizemore when he first came up but the lack of power put an end to these comparisons.  Now he's proving everyone wrong and is turning into arguably the best 5 tool player in the game today.  For the record:  Ellsbury /> Granderson
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]te

    Grady always had horrible plate discipline and SO a ton but from a power and defensive standpoint maybe.
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from hill55. Show hill55's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    Jacoby Ellsbury has been impressive this year, but he will be hard-pressed to average 25 homeruns a season over five consecutive years, as did Grady Sizemore (who is only a year older than Ellsbury, a fellow product of the Pacific Northwest).
     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from SoxPatsCelts1988. Show SoxPatsCelts1988's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Jacoby Ellsbury has been impressive this year, but he will be hard-pressed to average 25 homeruns a season over five consecutive years, as did Grady Sizemore (who is only a year older than Ellsbury, a fellow product of the Pacific Northwest).
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    Their careers seem to be going in very opposite directions.
     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from pinstripezac32. Show pinstripezac32's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988

    the best 5 tool player in the game today


    you guys are so confusing













     

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from SoxPatsCelts1988. Show SoxPatsCelts1988's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988 the best 5 tool player in the game today you guys are so confusing  
    Posted by pinstripezac32[/QUOTE]

    Dusty may be the 2nd best.  It may be a toss up.  I did say "Arguably the best".
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from craze4sox. Show craze4sox's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Jacoby Ellsbury has been impressive this year, but he will be hard-pressed to average 25 homeruns a season over five consecutive years, as did Grady Sizemore (who is only a year older than Ellsbury, a fellow product of the Pacific Northwest).
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    hill, Jacoby has that natural pull/power swing to RF so this may continue throughout the years.  No telling what he could average for HRS.
     
  8. This post has been removed.

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Your-Echo. Show Your-Echo's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    Hill should be concerned about his Mariners losing 13 in a row but yet is concerned about Red Sox players.
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from TheExaminer. Show TheExaminer's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Crawford Yesterday: Career: .441 SLG  .775 OPS  HR 12 RBI 71 (Crawford multi-year is this) 2010    .495 SLG  .851 OPS  HR 19  RBI 90  All Career highs (Theo Pd for this)  Buyer: Theo Epstein  20M/base 142M guaranteed Crawford Today: 2011   .385 SLG  .666 OPS HR *11 RBI *60   * projected Ellsbury Yesterday: Career .428 SLG  .779 OPS HR 12 RBI 67 (Ellsbury multi-years is this)  Ellsbury Today: 2011   .509 SLG  .884 OPS HR*23 RBI*90 All Career highs  By buying Crawford and setting the record market for this position profile, Theo has done two things: 1. Made a fool of himself for absurdly overpaying for Crawbust 2. Bid up the post FA price for the same type of profile player he will not be able to extend 3. Made a fool of himself by having to lie to the press about a serious attempt to extend Ellsbury, when, given the Crawbust bed, there is no way he will ever be given settlement authority to meet the FA demands of Boras/Ellsbury. Epstein is boxed in, completely, as the entire world knows that he could have simply passed on Crawbust to the Angels for 75% of his current base, and budgeted the same amount for a complimentary RH young OF'er and towards Ellsbury extension or FA bidding. There is zero chance Ellsbury will be with the Red Sox beyond 2013, but Theo will not tell Red Sox fans that. The comment about the extension efforts is a PR and pitiful save face false front. Henry needs to take the T-Bird away from Theo, and increase the E&O GM insurance. Once one who gave Theo the benefit of the doubt, there can be no doubt that he's worse than George Allen, DC GM.  Theo should admit his mistake, internally, and get on the phone and try and capture the only chance he has to cut his loss on Crawbust. He should call Colletti and try and convince him that Ellsbury isn't Crawford, he's Ty Cobb in his prime, but the Red Sox can't afford two Crawford profiles and, for Kemp and an extension, Colleti can have Ellsbury's 2.4 and his choice of Lowrie or Middlebrooks and his choice of Hassan or Brentz and his choice of Doubrant or Weiland. Few understand that it is Agon who has made life better for those hitting near him, but the Red Sox have a gaping long term and short RH slugging OF hole that, if filled, could turn them from slight underdogs to even or slight favorites if it ends up Phillies and Red Sox. But more importantly, it would construct the OF with proper complimentary balance for years to come. Bottom line, it's obvious that Crawford makes dealing Ellsbury, now, for a RH OF slugging star, about as obvious as it can be. Epstein's savior has alway been the large number of emotionally driven Red Sox fans who like or dislike players for reasons that have nothing to do with value and fit. They are behind him 100% in buying long term on Ellsbury. Of course, that's not realistic, but it allows Theo to get a pass on simply punting on Crawbustbury and just allow the clock to run out.  Smart fans, Slomag and Burrito and perhaps one or two other "hateful" thinkers, understand that calling the Dodgers for a young RF star is the only way out of the long term corner that Theo has painted Henry, Werner, Luchino and the Red Sox organization into. But, hey, Theo, call Ellsbury a core member and make it more difficult to dig out that deep driven stake broken off in your rear end. Ignorant Red Sox fans are loving it and buying the highest point, hook line and sinker, and are distracted enough to lose interest in Crawbust as a 20M Red Sox career #6 hitter.   Go ahead and spend 54M for 2 years of Crawbustbury, and do a dumpster dive for some RH OF'er pipe dream. Keep telling Red Sox teenager fans that you are working hard on extending the wet dream of a poster who calls him Robin Yount's nickname, "the kid";)  Heaven help you if you trade the pink and police hat doted darling for Kemp, and put Reddick in CF and a long term extended Kemp in RF. There would be a flood of tears, followed by anger and outrage!  To my many kind fans on this NY Times board, I've been busy dealing with my "corpse" of clients from our 59 United States, preparing for the next federal approriation of private property to pay another year of entitlements for the aging and increasing number of indolent Wards of the State. Give The Man all the rope he asks for, so he doesn't have to choose between paying himself and the little old lady who will be forced to starve because of Big Oil, fat cats and those with no skin in the game.  Mr. John Henry, keep up the good Red Sox stewardship, and tell Mr. Luchino to shorten the leash on the ape suited fantasy baseball mind. You deserve better.  Kemp  v. LHP SLG .597  OPS 1.062 Bellsbury v. LHP SLG .398 OPS .729
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    Proud of this one aren't ya softy? Copied and pasted into at least three different threads tonight! Nice! Know what I gotta say about it?

    REVERSE PIVOT JACK!!!!!

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from ctredsoxfanhugh. Show ctredsoxfanhugh's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    Ellsbury .315 15 HR 54 RBI 28 SB .375 OBP 

    ELlsbury 11.2 UZR/150 to Kemps -8.6

    Ellsbury's career numbers vs. LHP

    .296 avg .350 OBP

    Ellsbury 2011 WAR. 5.0  Kemps 2011 WAR 4.7

    Kemp career OBP  .344  Ellsbury career OBP .351

    Softy says            -  Ellsbury is having a career year
    softy doesn't say  - Kemp is also having a career year

    Kemp one year until free agency

    Ellsbury 2 more years of team control

    Ellsbury - Leadoff hitter
    Crawford - not lead off hitter

    Red Sox Nation - likes Ellsbury
    Softy              - does not like Ellsbury
    Jesus is a Sox fan. 
     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from TheExaminer. Show TheExaminer's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Ellsbury .315 15 HR 54 RBI 28 SB .375 OBP  ELlsbury 11.2 UZR/150 to Kemps -8.6 Ellsbury's career numbers vs. LHP .296 avg .350 OBP Ellsbury 2011 WAR. 5.0  Kemps 2011 WAR 4.7 Kemp career OBP  .344  Ellsbury career OBP .351 Softy says            -  Ellsbury is having a career year softy doesn't say  - Kemp is also having a career year Kemp one year until free agency Ellsbury 2 more years of team control Ellsbury - Leadoff hitter Crawford - not lead off hitter Red Sox Nation - likes Ellsbury Softy              - does not like Ellsbury Jesus is a Sox fan. 
    Posted by ctredsoxfanhugh[/QUOTE]

    Softy never lets pesky little things like facts or reality get in his way. I'm fairly sure he has me blocked, because he never responds. How sad! From now on, my response to every one of his Ellsbury posts is going to be the same: "REVERSE PIVOT JACK!!!!". (16x this year and counting)
     
  13. This post has been removed.

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from hill55. Show hill55's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Hill should be concerned about his Mariners losing 13 in a row but yet is concerned about Red Sox players.
    Posted by Your-Echo[/QUOTE]
    Thank you for the kind comment.

    The Seattle franchise record of 14 losses in a row will be within reach on Saturday when rookie Blake Beavan takes the mound for the Mariners.
     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ice-Cream. Show Ice-Cream's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?



    Scott Boras will be using Crawford's contract as an example when Epstein sits down with him and tries to sign Ellsbury. 

    Boras will refer Ellsbury as the "Tom Brady" of the Red Sox and demand an 8-year, $500 million deal.  lol

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from ctredsoxfanhugh. Show ctredsoxfanhugh's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Scott Boras will be using Crawford's contract as an example when Epstein sits down with him and tries to sign Ellsbury.  Boras will refer Ellsbury as the "Tom Brady" of the Red Sox and demand an 8-year, $500 million deal.  lol
    Posted by Ice-Cream[/QUOTE]

    HAAAA could you imagine?  he better go out and pitch a shutout every 5th day on top of his play in CF for that kinda money

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from Ice-Cream. Show Ice-Cream's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?


    I agree with you ctredsoxfanhugh.  :)

    If Scott Boras is reading this thread, then I am sure that he is ready to freak Epstein out with a crazy offer.  lol

    Scott Boras: "My client, Jacoby Ellsbury, is one of the finest athletes in the history of mankind."

    Theo Epstein: "Okay, cut the BS and let's get to the point." "How much and for how long?"

    Scott Boras: "..............as I refer to Carl Crawford's contract............"

    Theo Epstein: "Holy ^*$%.........."

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from Boomerangsdotcom. Show Boomerangsdotcom's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    What is most interesting about Ellsbury is that his HR have not been cheap. He often blasts them over the bull pen area in Fenway, while even Papi often just gets the ball into the pen area. The guy has a lot of raw power and it just might be that he has more power going forward than even I projected earlier. He could become a 30 HR guy. Maybe not this year but he looks like this is no fluke.
     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from Boomerangsdotcom. Show Boomerangsdotcom's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    Hill55, that was a low blow given to you man. Completely undeserved. Almost everyone here really appreciates you and please forget about such knucklehead statements as that. You handled it extremely well. 
     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from BurritoT. Show BurritoT's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    If anyone could stop a losing streak like the M's have going it would be an unknown rookie pitcher named Blake Beavan. 
     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from carnie. Show carnie's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]If anyone could stop a losing streak like the M's have going it would be an unknown rookie pitcher named Blake Beavan. 
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]Especially against Josh Beckett.
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from CTJake14. Show CTJake14's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    Hopefully, he doesn't let a c0cksh0t get out on deadspin.  Then he'll be all right.
     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from craze4sox. Show craze4sox's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    In Response to Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?:
    [QUOTE]Ellsbury .315 15 HR 54 RBI 28 SB .375 OBP  ELlsbury 11.2 UZR/150 to Kemps -8.6 Ellsbury's career numbers vs. LHP .296 avg .350 OBP Ellsbury 2011 WAR. 5.0  Kemps 2011 WAR 4.7 Kemp career OBP  .344  Ellsbury career OBP .351 Softy says            -  Ellsbury is having a career year softy doesn't say  - Kemp is also having a career year Kemp one year until free agency Ellsbury 2 more years of team control Ellsbury - Leadoff hitter Crawford - not lead off hitter Red Sox Nation - likes Ellsbury Softy              - does not like Ellsbury Jesus is a Sox fan. 
    Posted by ctredsoxfanhugh[/QUOTE]

    Good post, the way Jacoby is going he may be our team leader in HRS very soon.  Our biggest issue will be Boras as usual and trying to get a deal done.
     
  24. This post has been removed.

     
  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from harness. Show harness's posts

    Re: Is Jacoby Ellsbury becoming the Grady Sizemore that should have been?

    Like he bought Dice, who"didn't answer the bell".
     
Sections
Shortcuts

Share