is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    In response to CommyContrarianOnTwitter's comment:

    methinks YES! just the confience he gives the defense must motivate pitvhers like lack who are flyballers or lester. with vic-jbj-homes/na.. should b enough on D to overcome any o shortage. nava is a lava at the plate, ball just explodes off his bat!

     

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    Not yet, let play with minimal pressure...

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    perhaps he is starting to  hit a little

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    Lester waited for him before going into the dugout after that play.  I think the pitchers are happy to have him out there.  When he is out there in center it is "Where Triples go to Die".

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    You really want to carry a guy w/ a 200 BA ?  Bob Boone behind the plate - maybe but even that would be a stretch.....

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    No. He has to hit better than he has. Be patient. He will.

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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    In response to dgalehouse's comment:

    No. He has to hit better than he has. Be patient. He will.

    Stabbed by Foulke.




    I could get JBJ out.  You know how?  Fast balls up and in.  Just keep hitting that spot.  My fastball might top out at 80, he'll know it's coming, but he'll still miss it.  He can not hit that pitch.  Watch as more teams will take that approach.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    I don't understand... Iggy was a better hitter than Jackie but yet everyone complained about him...

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    Granted I love the defense and the fact this team has a CF with a man arm is great. 

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    In response to chickenandboose's comment:

    I don't understand... Iggy was a better hitter than Jackie but yet everyone complained about him...




    ah but the brain trust here think that JBJ is a better hitter than Iggy....

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    There is no tradeoff. Who would you play instead? Sizemore? No. Case closed.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    No. 

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    I still say this is the defensive CF I have seen since Paul Blair, that play last night was ridiculous.  However I have never seen a major leaguer strike at a the rate he does.  He is literally a strike out machine.    If he could cut down on the strike outs and hit a consistent 240 nobody would complain.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    If you think he might have saved about 6 hits over the average MLB CF'er so far this year, and you added 6 hits to his BA, he's be at about .260.

    I think he's saved more than 6- some of them doubles.

    I certainly do not see JBJ as the weakest link on this team, but he's also not a big plus either... so far.

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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    If the rest of our offense were hitting like they did last year then JBJ's struggles so far wouldn't hurt as much and there might be more patience with the youngster. But we knew we needed all the kids to pull their weight right away to compete. Hopefully there's still time.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    Right now, since we have absolutely ZERO OPTIONS to replace him, I'm ok with him where he's at.  It is what it is.  Now, we just have to pray that he has some learning curve against mlb pitching.  If not, we're in some trouble for the next few years.

    The whole lineup does seem to be showing signs of life?????  

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    Moon, I think that catch the other night may have saved the game, may have saved an inside the park HR depending how close Nava or Size may have been backing up the play. He's really a special player along the lines of Paul Blair and Fred Lynn.


    As I said in another thread yesterday--with all the positive media and the national attention that play has rec'd, this may turn his whole season around. That catch and throw may ultimately turn his career around. He may be able to look back on that one instance as the day I became a true major leaguer. Sometimes that's all it takes.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    i remember Dwight Evans struggling for more than a few years at the plate before figuring it out...patience - this guy is worth it

    As always - 100% correct!

     
     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    Hopefully, this series is the start of JBJ heating up a little.

     

     

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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    JBJ is their center fielder. Assuming Victorino comes back, the OF will look like:

    Against Righties:

    LF - Nava/Holt

    CF - JBJ

    RF - Victorino

    Against Lefites:

    LF - Gomes/ Holt

    CF - JBJ

    RF - Victorino

    Sizemore will be released once Victorino comes back. There is no place for him now that Nava is hitting and he is redundant and not producing.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    Yes/No

    Even world series caliber 1st division teams will have a weak hole or two in the lineup, and if they guy has superior defense at a premium position you just stick him in the 9 hole.  

    JBJ stands out more because of the overall struggles of this team. So this year it is hard to answer that question with a yes, but all things considered the answer should be yes. 

    He needs to hit better than he is now, but the bar is set much lower because of his defense so he doesn't have as far to go as some might say.  Given his overall age and experience I still believe his bat can at least develop enough to justify his defense.  JBJ could be a .250-.260 guy.

    And who knows....one day he might even be a little more.  

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    The problem at this point in his career is his Strikeouts. That is a concern. Also his approach to hitting, especially in Fenway. He is not a slugger, so he should be using that wall big time. Also that will show me he is waiting on the ball.


     


    First year in the Majors, I always think if a Rookie hits .250 he had a successful season. That tells me their will be improvement. Huge jump from the minors.


     


    1 out of 4 and if that hit is in the Clutch, I'll be very happy. To reach .250 now he'll have to hit around .300 we'll see. Patience.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    In response to andrewmitch's comment:
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    You really want to carry a guy w/ a 200 BA ?  Bob Boone behind the plate - maybe but even that would be a stretch.....

    He will not be a .200 for long.

     
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    Re: is JBJ's defense worth the offensive tradeoff?

    If RF and LF produced, hit for some power, and made up for JBJR's hitting deficiencies, then he could be carried as the banjo hitting, good glove CF. But if LF, RF is Nava, Victorino, Sizemore, then you have some real issues as to what you really want in the outfield. Used to be that the OF was a team strength and now the offense seems to be centered around the IF and DH.

     
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