Is Lester a Choker?

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    Is Lester a Choker?

    I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, as it sounds as if I'm bashing Lester.  I guess you can say I am, although I do like Lester.

    But hasn't he choked when the Sox needed him most?  He didn't pitch well the last time they were in the playoffs, and last year when they were in the playoff hunt, he went out and lost his last 4 starts, helping put the playoffs out of reach for the Sox.  Although last night was not a must win, they needed that win to stay in first place and again, he pitched a stinker. 

    Beckett didn't pitch great the other night, but without his best stuff he came up with some clutch pitches and still gave the team a chance to win.  Lester, not so much.

    I'm really disappointed in Lester.  Hopefully he can turn it around.
     
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    Re: Is Lester a Choker?

    Lesters record would indicate that hes better than he has been. He has not been incredibly sharp all year IMO..
     
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    Re: Is Lester a Choker?

    when he doest throw strikes, he's in trouble.
     
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    the guy beat Cancer...everything else is gravy for him...and for me too to be honest...he's an inspiration

    this wasnt exactly a big game yesterday...was it really a choke???
     
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    ...and last year when they were in the playoff hunt, he went out and lost his last 4 starts, helping put the playoffs out of reach for the Sox. 

    What numbers are you looking at?

    Lester won 6 of his last 7 starts last year. In the 3 games before his last start he let up 1 ER in 22 IP.

    (By the way, Tito had "packed it in" long before those last 4 starts.)

    The Sox won 8 of Jon's last 9 starts in 2009.
    The Sox won 4 of Jon's lats 5 starts in 2008.
    The Sox won 7 of Jon's last 9 starts in 2007.

    Jon has a 2.57 ERAand 1.12 WHIP  in the postseason.

    He is known as a second half pitcher.
     
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    ...and last year when they were in the playoff hunt, he went out and lost his last 4 starts, helping put the playoffs out of reach for the Sox.  What numbers are you looking at? Lester won 6 of his last 7 starts last year. In the 3 games before his last start he let up 1 ER in 22 IP. (By the way, Tito had "packed it in" long before those last 4 starts.) The Sox won 8 of Jon's last 9 starts in 2009. The Sox won 4 of Jon's lats 5 starts in 2008. The Sox won 7 of Jon's last 9 starts in 2007. Jon has a 2.57 ERAand 1.12 WHIP  in the postseason. He is known as a second half pitcher.
    Posted by moonslav59


    Maybe it was his last 4 starts before the playoffs was out of reach, but I know he lost 4 starts in a row when the Sox needed wins to try to make the playoffs.
     
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    Re: Is Lester a Choker?

      I THINK THAT HE LET'S THE UMPIRES GET TO HIM.  IF HE IS NOT GETTING THE CORNERS, THEN HE IS IN TROUBLE !!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker? : Maybe it was his last 4 starts before the playoffs was out of reach, but I know he lost 4 starts in a row when the Sox needed wins to try to make the playoffs.
    Posted by cpjohn1


    By that logic, any time any pitcher loses 4 consecutive starts at any point in the season, they are also a "choker".

    It doesn't matter if the Sox are up by 2 games, or tied for first on May 31st, in no way was this a big game for the team.  Let's not forget that 2 of the runs scored an a perfectly placed bloop hit, while another 2 were allowed to score after Wheeler came in.  This was the 2nd most pitches Lester has ever thrown in a professional game, it's understandable he would tire by the end.  I liked Tito giving him a chance to get out of his own mess though, especially considering Wheeler was coming in who has been shaky at best this season.
     
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    He is solid but this is why Beckett has re-claimed team Ace status, as Josh is a dominating pitcher in the biggest of big games.
     
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    the guy beat Cancer...everything else is gravy for him...and for me too to be honest...he's an inspiration this wasnt exactly a big game yesterday...was it really a choke???
    Posted by georom4

    Amen, geo. Plus, let's not forget who the winning pitcher of the '07 World Series clincher was.
    He had a bad day yesterday, but let's not go overboard.
     
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    I think his ERA is somewhere around 5.50 for the month of May.
     
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    5.40, to be precise. Giving up 7 ER in 5.2 will do that. But in no way is he a "choker."
     
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    5.40, to be precise. Giving up 7 ER in 5.2 will do that. But in no way is he a "choker."

    Posted by LloydDobler

    Never said he was a choker, he just ain't getting it done. He's no Bartolo Colon!!

     
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    I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, as it sounds as if I'm bashing Lester.  I guess you can say I am, although I do like Lester. But hasn't he choked when the Sox needed him most?  He didn't pitch well the last time they were in the playoffs, and last year when they were in the playoff hunt, he went out and lost his last 4 starts, helping put the playoffs out of reach for the Sox.  Although last night was not a must win, they needed that win to stay in first place and again, he pitched a stinker.  Beckett didn't pitch great the other night, but without his best stuff he came up with some clutch pitches and still gave the team a chance to win.  Lester, not so much. I'm really disappointed in Lester.  Hopefully he can turn it around.
    Posted by cpjohn1

    Lester is 15 and 2 for his career in September.  I guess that's all that really needs to be said.

     
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    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker? : Never said he was a choker, he just ain't getting it done. He's no Bartolo Colon!!
    Posted by --The---Babe-1


    That's funny! How far do you think castoffs like Colon & Garcia will take you?
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker? : That's funny! How far do you think castoffs like Colon & Garcia will take you?

    Posted by jpBsSoxFan

    Who knows, but I can't complain so far.

     
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    Re: Is Lester a Choker?

    I don't think he is a choker.  Some of the posts here indicate that.  But, something is wrong somewhere with him.  Over his last 5 starts he has pitched a total of just 29 innings, giving up 35 hits and 21 runs in just those 29 innings pitched.

    This goes beyond a bad start or two.  Wonder what the problem is.  The easy answer is just mechanics.  But, for an ace to have "mechanic problems" for this long now has to make you wonder some.


     
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    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker? : That's funny! How far do you think castoffs like Colon & Garcia will take you?
    Posted by jpBsSoxFan


    To be fair, they've already taken them further than the Brad Penny/Smoltzy castoff backend took the Sox.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker?:
    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker? : Who knows, but I can't complain so far.
    Posted by --The---Babe-1


    No disrespect intended, I have to admit I'm impressed & surprised with the production the Yanks have gotten out of them. Especially Colon, he pitched a gem of a game last night. Wish he would have pitched like that for the Sox when they had him a few years ago.Lol
     
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    Tito is finally addressing the elephant in the room with Lester. Lack of command and over dependence on his cutter.  Time for Lester to shut up and listen to his manager and pitching coach.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker?:
    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker? : To be fair, they've already taken them further than the Brad Penny/Smoltzy castoff backend took the Sox.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus

    Totally agree Spaceman, Smoltz might have been one of the biggest failures in Sox history. Felt bad for him getting lit up in almost every start he made for the Sox. Penny is what he is. 5 or 6 innings at best. Why couldn't Colon pitch like this for the Sox?
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker?:
    In Response to Re: Is Lester a Choker? : No disrespect intended, I have to admit I'm impressed & surprised with the production the Yanks have gotten out of them. Especially Colon, he pitched a gem of a game last night. Wish he would have pitched like that for the Sox when they had him a few years ago.Lol

    Posted by jpBsSoxFan

    None taken. Colon has been quite impressive. I really like the 62K/15BB ratio.

     
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    Re: Is Lester a Choker?

    Going through a rough patch is simply that - going through a rough patch.

    It's terrible when a player can't be perfect all the time.
     
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    the guy beat Cancer...everything else is gravy for him...and for me too to be honest...he's an inspiration this wasnt exactly a big game yesterday...was it really a choke???
    Posted by georom4


    It was great that he beat cancer, but what does that have to do with why he isn't getting it done on the mound?
     
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