Is Mike Scioscia really this stupid?

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    In Response to Re: Is Mike Scioscia really this stupid? : Harness, One benefit of having Scioscia call the pitches is that the pitcher is far less likely to shake it off.  I think it helps when the pitcher and catcher are in sync, but on the Red Sox that doesn't always happen.  My favorite recent example was Lester in his last start--a brilliant 7 innings, 11 K's, 1 run.  But in the first inning he had like a 1-2 count and Salty signaled three fingers, which must have been a breaking ball, because the previous one had worked well.  Lester shook him off until he signalled a high fast ball, which the batter promptly put over the green monster.   
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    Not for nothing, but that was likely due to the fact that Lester missed his spot--not that the two weren't in sync or that Salty wasn't calling a good game. 
     
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    To Max: Having a manager/bench coach call pitches to induce additional agreement with a starting pitcher may in fact have a negative result.

    Pitchers often shake off signs because they don't feel good about throwing a certain pitch - or throwing it in a certain situation.

    You can use any many examples of pitcher error in judgement as you wish, and I'll show you others that illustrate just the opposite.

    Furthermore, I'd like to see absolute proof that Scioscia calls pitches for his catchers. I've never seen any indication of this in any game.
    The variance between the Angel's staff with Mathis as opposed to with Napoli is too large and too consistent to be the voice of one.
     
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    To 791: Here's some quick data off Moon's Realistic thread:

    Lackey w/Mathis:            261 IP  3.21 ERA
    Lackey with Nalopi:       279 IP  3.79 ERA

    J. weaver w/Mathis:         322 IP  3.63 ERA
    J. WEAVER W/NAPOLI:  213 IP  4.56 ERA

    E. SANTANA W/
    MATHIS:     315 IP  3.80 ERA
    E. Santana w/Napoli:       118 IP  4.59 ERA

    This covers 2007-2009. Personally, I like to go year by year, as using the cumulative is subject to yearly form/injury/defense/etc.
    But this should give you a rough idea of what Napoli cost his pitching staff.
    And this only covers 3 starters.

    Now, we both know stats are flawed, so the actual difference may be greater, or less. But for the sake of argument, just a half run difference - on the average - with each pitcher results in what, 80 runs annually? That's just one year.
    The offensive difference between the two over a 3-4 period was how much? About a 100 runs total?

    From this data (2007-9) alone, the Angels were 129 - 66 (.661) with Mathis starting.  They went 141 - 94 (.600) with Napoli.

    Common sense tells us that a weak-hitting Mathis was involved with these three key starters in almost 900 innings - compared to a little over 600 IP with Napoli - for a reason.

    What's more, it greatly reduces any chance that such a variance came from one source...sitting in the dugout.
     
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    cgmggm
     
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                              Part of it is defensive configuration. This year the only team in the AL East configured correctly is the BRS. Try this stat for the LAA's. They don't have a left handed thrower on their 25 man roster other than pitchers. The RS have (4) starters that throw left handed and they aren't pitchers. The LAA's are misconfigured at 1B and LF. It makes a difference. In the last Balt. series, last game of the set CC legs a leadoff double in the gap between CF and RF. The ball was fielded by Nick Markakis. They say he's got a great arm. If you can see the replay of that play, he does a 360 turn after he fields the ball cleanly. He makes a nice throw slightly off line and little late. Crawford is safe and we go on to have a big inning eventually winning the get away game. How about Bobby Jencks and Seattle. "T" leaves him in to pitch with the go ahead run at 3B. The guy ropes one down the line in left field. CC makes a nice catch glove side on that ball to keep it tied. Then the sun comes out and sox win. A right handed thrower could not have caught that ball. Chalk one up for Theo. 
     
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    Nick Markakis does have a great arm.
     
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