Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

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    Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

    Montero:  .288  7HR  34RBI
    Romine:  .286  4HR  37RBI
    Lavarnway:  .317  23HR  63RBI

    Thoughts?
     
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    Montero:  .288  7HR  34RBI Romine:  .286  4HR  37RBI Lavarnway:  .317  23HR  63RBI Thoughts?
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988


    Looks good SPC ...

      Are they all AAA numbers?
     
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    Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

    The short answer is no he's not (see the top 100 prospects)...could he be a better big leaguer we'll have to wait and see...Romine is the best catcher of the three with projectable big league skills wearing the tools of ignorance...Montero and Lavarnway are still "projects" and neither has shown the agility to be projectable everyday big league catchers.
     
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    Montero:  .288  7HR  34RBI Romine:  .286  4HR  37RBI Lavarnway:  .317  23HR  63RBI Thoughts?
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988

    lavarnway is a year older than Romine and 2 yrs older than Montero. Plus the numbers that you put up are lavarnway's combined for AA and AAA (and he has raked at AAA) while Montero's are all AAA and Romine's are all AA.

    That being said, most of us don't get to watch many minor league games, so we can only go by what we read and there's got to be a reason why Montero is ranked in the top 10 prospects while the other two don't crack the top 50.

     
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    Montero:  .288  7HR  34RBI Romine:  .286  4HR  37RBI Lavarnway:  .317  23HR  63RBI Thoughts?
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988


    Hilarious; Lavarnway is nowhere to be found in the Scouting Book prospect matrix (Top 479); meanwhile Montero is ranked anywhere from 3 to 9 on all of the 6 prospect surveys (The 7th, SN, has NO prospects for some reason, or there's a DB disconnect):

    7  3   3   -    9  4   4NYYCJesus Montero  

    while Romine is much lower (155, 98, 2 surveys)




    Another Homer comment from SPC.

    Note: This survey is usually updated weekly. However, Lavarnway's omission must be some kind of mistake.

     
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    In Response to Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? : lavarnway is a year older than Romine and 2 yrs older than Montero. Plus the numbers that you put up are lavarnway's combined for AA and AAA (and he has raked at AAA) while Montero's are all AAA and Romine's are all AA. That being said, most of us don't get to watch many minor league games, so we can only go by what we read and there's got to be a reason why Montero is ranked in the top 10 prospects while the other two don't crack the top 50.
    Posted by The--Babe--


     
    Babe,

      May I congratulate you on the most sensible post I've ever read from you.

      No tongue-in-cheek ...

        
     
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    Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

    Kevin Goldstein had a lukewarm report on Austin Romine from the Futures Game (subs. req’d)…

    [Romine's] prospect stock remains flat. He’s a good hitter for average, but his aggressiveness early in the count and merely gap-to-average power leave his total line a bit empty. He’s also one of those frustrating backstops who has the tools to be a good defender, but is a so-so receiver with a slow release that wastes his strong arm … I can’t remember the last time I heard a scout get really excited about his future.

     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? :   Babe,   May I congratulate you on the most sensible post I've ever read from you.   No tongue-in-cheek ...     
    Posted by SinceYaz


    He took is medicine.
     
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    Kevin Goldstein  had a lukewarm report on  Austin Romine  from the Futures Game (subs. req’d)… [Romine's] prospect stock remains flat. He’s a good hitter for average, but his aggressiveness early in the count and merely gap-to-average power leave his total line a bit empty. He’s also one of those frustrating backstops who has the tools to be a good defender, but is a so-so receiver with a slow release that wastes his strong arm … I can’t remember the last time I heard a scout get really excited about his future.
    Posted by bald-predictions


    Meanwhile, Scouting Book, a respected composite source (not 1 scout) of scouting analyses, says this:

    The younger brother of infielder Andrew, Austin Romine was a two way player in the Buster Posey fashion, acting as his high school closer as well as everyday catcher. As you might expect, he has one of the best cannons to second of any catcher in the minors today. At the plate he has doubles power and an easy swing, which looks projectable to 20-30 homer power someday. He's still a ways away from Yankee Stadium, but he's a hard worker with enough raw talent to get there sooner or later, and he's the most promising defender of the Yankee catching prospects.


     
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    This guy isn't even ranked as one of the top 10 Red Sox Prospects; however he is projected to be in the starting lineup in 2014:




    TOP TEN
    PROSPECTS
    1.Casey Kelly, rhp
    2.Jose Iglesias, ss
    3.Anthony Rizzo, 1b
    4.Anthony Ranaudo, rhp
    5.Drake Britton, lhp
    6.Reymond Fuentes, of
    7.Josh Reddick, of
    8.Felix Doubront, lhp
    9.Stolmy Pimentel, rhp
    10.Garin Cecchini, 3b
    BEST
    TOOLS
    Best Hitter for AverageGarin Cecchini
    Best Power HitterAnthony Rizzo
    Best Strike-Zone DisciplineChe-Hsuan Lin
    Fastest BaserunnerFelix Sanchez
    Best AthleteReymond Fuentes
    Best FastballDrake Britton
    Best CurveballCasey Kelly
    Best SliderAlex Wilson
    Best ChangeupStolmy Pimentel
    Best ControlChris Balcom-Miller
    Best Defensive CatcherTim Federowicz
    Best Defensive InfielderJose Iglesias
    Best Infield ArmWill Middlebrooks
    Best Defensive OutfielderChe-Hsuan Lin
    Best Outfield ArmChe-Hsuan Lin
    PROJECTED 2014
    LINEUP
    CatcherRyan Lavarnway
    First BaseAnthony Rizzo
    Second BaseDustin Pedroia
    Third BaseGarin Cecchini
    ShortstopJose Iglesias
    Left FieldJacoby Ellsbury
    Center FieldReymond Fuentes
    Right FieldRyan Kalish
    Designated HitterKevin Youkilis
    No. 1 StarterJon Lester
    No. 2 StarterClay Buchholz
    No. 3 StarterCasey Kelly
    No. 4 StarterJosh Beckett
    No. 5 StarterAnthony Ranaudo
    CloserJonathan Papelbon
    TOP PROSPECTS
    OF THE DECADE
    YearPlayer, Position2010
    2001Dernell Stenson, of/1bDeceased
    2002Seung Song, rhpLotte (Korea)
    2003Hanley Ramirez, ssMarlins
    2004Hanley Ramirez, ssMarlins
    2005Hanley Ramirez, ssMarlins
    2006Andy Marte, 3bIndians
    2007Daisuke Matsuzaka, rhpRed Sox
    2008Clay Buchholz, rhpRed Sox
    2009Lars Anderson, 1bRed Sox
    2010Ryan Westmoreland, ofRed Sox
    TOP DRAFT PICKS
    OF THE DECADE
    YearPlayer, Position2010
    2001Kelly Shoppach, c (2nd round)Rays
    2002Jon Lester, lhp (2nd round)Red Sox
    2003David Murphy, ofRangers
    2004Dustin Pedroia, ss (2nd round)Red Sox
    2005Jacoby Ellsbury, ofRed Sox
    2006Jason Place, ofRed Sox
    2007Nick Hagadone, 
    lhp (1st round supp.)
    Indians
    2008Casey Kelly, rhpRed Sox
    2009Reymond Fuentes, ofRed Sox
    2010Kolbrin Vitek, 3bRed Sox
    LARGEST BONUSES
    IN CLUB HISTORY
      
    Jose Iglesias, 2009$6,250,000
    Casey Kelly, 2008$3,000,000
    Anthony Ranaudo, 2010$2,550,000
    Daisuke Matsuzaka, 2006$2,000,000
    Ryan Westmoreland, 2008$2,000,000
    RED SOX
    LINKS
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    Red Sox Top 10 Scouting Reports www.baseballamerica.com/p/?XCVITJ"> www.baseballamerica.com/architecture/images/premium.gif" border="0" alt="Premium" align="absmiddle" />
    Last Year's Red Sox Top 10 Prospects
    2010 Draft: Red Sox (Basic Database)
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    Complete Index of Top 10 Prospects
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    Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

    good stuff steve, thanks
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?:
    This guy isn't even ranked as one of the top 10 Red Sox Prospects; however he is projected to be in the starting lineup in 2014: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2011/2610882.html TOP TEN PROSPECTS 1. Casey Kelly, rhp 2. Jose Iglesias, ss 3. Anthony Rizzo, 1b 4. Anthony Ranaudo, rhp 5. Drake Britton, lhp 6. Reymond Fuentes, of 7. Josh Reddick, of 8. Felix Doubront, lhp 9. Stolmy Pimentel, rhp 10. Garin Cecchini, 3b BEST TOOLS Best Hitter for Average Garin Cecchini Best Power Hitter Anthony Rizzo Best Strike-Zone Discipline Che-Hsuan Lin Fastest Baserunner Felix Sanchez Best Athlete Reymond Fuentes Best Fastball Drake Britton Best Curveball Casey Kelly Best Slider Alex Wilson Best Changeup Stolmy Pimentel Best Control Chris Balcom-Miller Best Defensive Catcher Tim Federowicz Best Defensive Infielder Jose Iglesias Best Infield Arm Will Middlebrooks Best Defensive Outfielder Che-Hsuan Lin Best Outfield Arm Che-Hsuan Lin PROJECTED 2014 LINEUP Catcher Ryan Lavarnway First Base Anthony Rizzo Second Base Dustin Pedroia Third Base Garin Cecchini Shortstop Jose Iglesias Left Field Jacoby Ellsbury Center Field Reymond Fuentes Right Field Ryan Kalish Designated Hitter Kevin Youkilis No. 1 Starter Jon Lester No. 2 Starter Clay Buchholz No. 3 Starter Casey Kelly No. 4 Starter Josh Beckett No. 5 Starter Anthony Ranaudo Closer Jonathan Papelbon TOP PROSPECTS OF THE DECADE Year Player, Position 2010 2001 Dernell Stenson, of/1b Deceased 2002 Seung Song, rhp Lotte (Korea) 2003 Hanley Ramirez, ss Marlins 2004 Hanley Ramirez, ss Marlins 2005 Hanley Ramirez, ss Marlins 2006 Andy Marte, 3b Indians 2007 Daisuke Matsuzaka, rhp Red Sox 2008 Clay Buchholz, rhp Red Sox 2009 Lars Anderson, 1b Red Sox 2010 Ryan Westmoreland, of Red Sox TOP DRAFT PICKS OF THE DECADE Year Player, Position 2010 2001 Kelly Shoppach, c (2nd round) Rays 2002 Jon Lester, lhp (2nd round) Red Sox 2003 David Murphy, of Rangers 2004 Dustin Pedroia, ss (2nd round) Red Sox 2005 Jacoby Ellsbury, of Red Sox 2006 Jason Place, of Red Sox 2007 Nick Hagadone,  lhp (1st round supp.) Indians 2008 Casey Kelly, rhp Red Sox 2009 Reymond Fuentes, of Red Sox 2010 Kolbrin Vitek, 3b Red Sox LARGEST BONUSES IN CLUB HISTORY     Jose Iglesias, 2009 $6,250,000 Casey Kelly, 2008 $3,000,000 Anthony Ranaudo, 2010 $2,550,000 Daisuke Matsuzaka, 2006 $2,000,000 Ryan Westmoreland, 2008 $2,000,000 RED SOX LINKS Red Sox' Team Page Red Sox Top 10 Scouting Reports   www.baseballamerica.com/p/?XCVITJ " />  www.baseballamerica.com/architecture/images/premium.gif " border="0" alt="Premium" align="absmiddle"> Last Year's Red Sox Top 10 Prospects 2010 Draft: Red Sox  (Basic Database) 2010 Draft: Red Sox   www.baseballamerica.com/p/?XCVITJ ">  www.baseballamerica.com/architecture/images/premium.gif " border="0" alt="Premium" align="absmiddle"> (Advanced Database) 2010 Draft Report Cards: Boston Red Sox   www.baseballamerica.com/p/?XCVITJ ">  www.baseballamerica.com/architecture/images/premium.gif " border="0" alt="Premium" align="absmiddle"> Complete Index of Top 10 Prospects Pre-Order the 2011 Prospect Handbook www.baseballamerica.com/images/mlblogos/smallgifs/2008/redsox.gif " border="0" alt="Boston Red Sox" />
    Posted by nhsteven
    funny to think Ellsbury will be one of the vets :-)
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?:
    In Response to Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? : Hilarious; Lavarnway is nowhere to be found in the Scouting Book prospect matrix (Top 479); meanwhile Montero is ranked anywhere from 3 to 9 on all of the 6 prospect surveys (The 7th, SN, has NO prospects for some reason, or there's a DB disconnect): SB BA BP SN ML ES SI 7   3    3    -     9   4    4 NYY C Jesus Montero    while Romine is much lower (155, 98, 2 surveys) http://www.scoutingbook.com/prospects/matrix Another Homer comment from SPC. Note: This survey is usually updated weekly. However, Lavarnway's omission must be some kind of mistake.
    Posted by nhsteven


    Rankings are rarely accuarate, Lavarnway has a chance to be a better hitter than both and in my opinion already is.  As an athlete he still has quite a way to go.
     
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    Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

    While it is good to use pre-season rankings as a reality check, they change dramatically from one year to the next. When they were written, Lavarnway had just 190 PA at AA (age 22) and it seemed likely that he was playing a little over his head. This year he extended that success by 239 PA, jumped a level, and put up another 124 PA at AAA while setting a career best in batting average and power.

    I'd still rank either Montero (a much younger prospect) or Romine (better defensive skills) ahead of Lavarnway.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? : Rankings are rarely accuarate, Lavarnway has a chance to be a better hitter than both and in my opinion already is.  As an athlete he still has quite a way to go.
    Posted by craze4sox


    Right; I'm going to believe you over a conglomerate of scouts; that's what the ranking is based on.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?:
    While it is good to use pre-season rankings as a reality check, they change dramatically from one year to the next. When they were written, Lavarnway had just 190 PA at AA (age 22) and it seemed likely that he was playing a little over his head. This year he extended that success by 239 PA, jumped a level, and put up another 124 PA at AAA while setting a career best in batting average and power. I'd still rank either Montero (a much younger prospect) or Romine (better defensive skills) ahead of Lavarnway.
    Posted by thirtysomething


    This ranking is updated weekly.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? : Right; I'm going to believe you over a conglomerate of scouts; that's what the ranking is based on.
    Posted by nhsteven


    You don't have to believe me just wait for it to happen like with your boy Phil Hughes and many others that never lived up to the hype.
     
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    Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

    I'm just looking at the plain numbers here.  Montero was supposed to be a possible solution to the Yankees DH situation this year.  Lavarnway has 3X as many HR's and almost twice as many RBI.  It's hard to not give Lavarnway a huge boost in prospect status after the season he's putting together.  Meanwhile it appears that Montero has taken a step backwards.
     
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    I'm just looking at the plain numbers here.  Montero was supposed to be a possible solution to the Yankees DH situation this year.  Lavarnway has 3X as many HR's and almost twice as many RBI.  It's hard to not give Lavarnway a huge boost in prospect status after the season he's putting together.  Meanwhile it appears that Montero has taken a step backwards.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988

    If judging prospects was just about number crunching then my kid cousin with a calculator should be a top scouting director by this time next year.

     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? : If judging prospects was just about number crunching then my kid cousin with a calculator should be a top scouting director by this time next year.
    Posted by The--Babe--


    Then tell me why Montero appears to be better?  Do you study him?  Are you an expert?  I'm just looking that the plain stats.  I thought Montero was supposed to be this power hitting catchingmachine?  Looks like Lavarnway has that crown.  Unfo
     
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    Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

    Besides, the Yankees don't have a very good track record of developing players from within over the past several seasons.  They've produced a few average-at-best players.  No home grown studs.
     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? : Then tell me why Montero appears to be better?  Do you study him?  Are you an expert?  I'm just looking that the plain stats.  I thought Montero was supposed to be this power hitting catchingmachine?  Looks like Lavarnway has that crown.  Unfo
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988

    No, and that was my point in my earlier post. Most of us DON'T watch a ton of the minor league games and only go by what we read. But there has to be a reason why one is ranked in the top ten by the people who do watch all these games and the other two don't crack the top 50. I don't pretend to know the answer as I haven't watched any of the three enough to form an opinion.

    And I don't know where you read Montero is a "catching machine". From what I read about him he's average to below average at best behind the dish. I know he did struggle a bit this season and has had some injury problems, but again, that's only what I know from reading about him.

    How many games of lavarnway have you watched? Do you study him? I know you are far from an expert.

     
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    Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine?

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    Besides, the Yankees don't have a very good track record of developing players from within over the past several seasons.  They've produced a few average-at-best players.  No home grown studs.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988

    Ever heard of Cano?

     
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    In Response to Re: Is Ryan Lavarnway a better prospect than both Jesus Montero and Austin Romine? : Ever heard of Cano?
    Posted by The--Babe--


    Yes I have but I said over the last several years.  He's been around since 2005. 

    Would this work better?  Robinson Cano is the only very good player they've developed from their farm system over the past 10 seasons.
     
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