Is the blame on Saltalamacchia?

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    ONe of the few times you have been right in your life.
     
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    don't blame the catcher for the SLACKEY'S and DICEY'S of the world.
    blame THEO for SLACKEY; blame the whole front office for DICEY.

    revenues earned from JAPAN, have probably paid DICEY'S salary twice over.
    get rid of him and wakefield. ADDITION by SUBTRACTION.
     
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    Maybe Salty needs to be eased in, but Lester sure pitched good the 2nd time through ...

    Dice-K just does not have it anymore, whatever it was he once had.  The catcher does not hold the glove in the middle of the strike zone and demand the pitcher throw it there.   Yet the Dice man threw it there so many times it was sickening.   It is called control, and regardless of whether Tek or Salty are there the time has come for Dice-K to produce or have a seat.   Long relief sounds good ...

    Trading him would be hard.   Even with paying his salary.   The Mariners might take him, they have a nice setup for Japanese players.  

    But forget about Dice-K, Lackey is our big problem.   We need 4 solid starters, we have seen 2 step forward.   I suspect Clay will pitch much better next time.  But Lackey looks clue-less and ineffective.  
     
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    Wake took the bullet, who else would come into a game that was already 7-0 in the second inning?   He does mop up work, and doesn't complain ... saving the arms of more valuable relievers for today.

    Dice-K left the ball over the plate so many times it was like he was trying to put it there.  How can you be wild and throw right down the middle so many times?!?  

    Salty has done a decent job, so has Tek.  Lester pitched a great game, so Salty is doing something right.

    The season is young, and painful.  But many times the Sox have flown out to early season leads just to watch them fade come Aug./Sept..  This team will be stronger as time goes on.
     
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    as much as i know about pitching, to not assess any blame on the catcher is being short sided

    in this case, there is plenty of blame to go around as most of the staff is struggling...when that happens...improving the catching situation often times helps the pitching in return
     
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    Jon Lester
    506.1 IP with Varitek: 3.48 ERA
    272 IP with other catchers: 3.67 ERA  (
    Close and Sample size difference)

    Clay Buchholz
    99 IP with Varitek: 5.45 ERA
    275.1 IP with other catchers: 3.17 ERA (
    Busts the Varitek bubble)

    Jonathan Papelbon
    231.2 IP with Varitek: 2.10 ERA
    136.1 IP with other catchers: 2.44 ERA
    (close and sample size difference)


    The long-term issue is this: Varitek is 39 and Beckett is signed through 2014. The odds are fairly good that Beckett will still be pitching when Varitek has retired. What happens then?

    Is Peter joking? Come on, Varitek is in a back up role, has no arm, can't hit and should have retired by now. Sure, he can do a marginal job as a backup, but at some point Theo has to stop neglecting the catcher situtaion and stop shopping for catchers at the pawn shop.

     
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    [QUOTE]why the need to always blame one person? Blame the front office for overpaying lackey, Beckett and Dice so there is no money for good relievers. Blame the front office again for overpaying for Crawford so there is no money for a catcher. (yes, they did overpay for Crawford, no other offer was close to theirs) Blame the cocky almost arrogant attitude of the players who obviously have read their press clippings Blame the bad deals that have drained the minor league system. (not the Gonzalez deal though) Dumping on Salty and Wake is just a little idiotic.  Who do you replace them with?  What trade chips are available and attractive to other teams? What possible replacements are in the minor leagues? This team has to collectively grow a pair and get the job done.  No excuses!
    Posted by accland[/QUOTE]


    Nobody is blaming Salty for NOT BEING READY!  There is NOTHING that can be done about some of the decesions by the front office to over-pay for some of these guys.  Salty did not make himself the starter, so nobody is blaming the kid for NOT BEING UP TO THE JOB!  Nor is anybody saying it's ALL HIS FAULT either.  Tek is really our only option.  His hitting is still suspect, but he WILL BE solid & dependable behind the plate.  Perhaps 3 out of every 5 games?????  WE NEED a spark!  Salty DOES NOT ingender confidence in this pitching staff!!!!!!!!  I think Beckett's comments after Sunday Night's game were very telling, & I don't think he is the only pitcher who feels that way.  At least Tek would give a boost to a few pitchers who clearly NEED IT.  Salty's a good kid & a hard worker!  He's simply not ready.  He needs to be eased in!
     
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    We should have signed Martin who was a proven major league catcher, but you know theo, when he gets a hard on for player like Salty, Drew, Lugo, Lackey etc there is absolutely no stopping him
     
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    [QUOTE]There is one poster on here who blamed Vmart for the demise of the staff last year, so is it not out of the realm of possibility, that Salty's inexperience and lack of skill could be the basis for only one QS when he is catching? I have to believe that if Tek handled Dice last night, we would have seen a much different result from Dice-K. Beckett's two starts were like night and day, and you can be sure that Salty will not catch another one of Beckett's starts.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    Varitek is one of the best catchers that the Red Sox have ever had.  I definitely agree since Varitek is not playing very often, it is definitely a factor that has contributed to the poor pitching performances last year and this year.  I would like to see Varitek catching more games for the rest of the season. 
     
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    No. Was the blame on Salty when Lester through a one run beauty in his last outing? I don't think so! The blame is on Lackey, Buch and DiceK who have yet to give the team a chance to win one of their starts. It's early, we'll see, but it's not Salty's fault. Catching has nothing to do with pitching performance. Cliff Lee moves around without any problem.
     
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    Is the blame on Saltalamacchia?

    The starters have not pitched well to begin this season (I know bold statement right) and i'm interested to know how many people are placing the blame on Saltalamacchia's catching skills or knowledge of the game.  It just seemed to me that he was calling for a few of Dice-K's pitches to be left over the plate last night and they were being hit hard, although this definitely does not justify his bad outing.  I'm not saying we should ditch Salty as we can no longer rely on a 39 year old catcher to catch 100+ games, but is he ready yet?
     
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    [QUOTE]The starters have not pitched well to begin this season (I know bold statement right) and i'm interested to know how many people are placing the blame on Saltalamacchia's catching skills or knowledge of the game.  It just seemed to me that he was calling for a few of Dice-K's pitches to be left over the plate last night and they were being hit hard, although this definitely does not justify his bad outing.  I'm not saying we should ditch Salty as we can no longer rely on a 39 year old catcher to catch 100+ games, but is he ready yet?
    Posted by wschamps04-07[/QUOTE]

    Seriously? You felt Salty was calling for pitches to be left over the plate? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Salty calls games fine. It isn't his fault when a pitcher doesn't locate. Dice-K was throwing strikes, but not quality ones. Let's not blame Salty when that string of seven Rays reached on pitches entirely in the upper half of the strike zone and out over the plate. You can call the greatest game of all time and it won't mean anything if the pitcher doesn't execute.
     
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    YES!  But first, the majority of the blame goes to Dice-K, Lackey, & a whole host of pitchers not executing!

    Now, I have been arguing the same point about Salty.  Too me, it seems clear that the pitchers do not have confidence in his ability to call a solid game.  Much of pitching is a mental game, & for WHATEVER reason the majority of these pitchers are losing their focus!

    I firmly believe that they DO NOT trust him yet!

    Frankly, I don't give a damn any more.  RIGHT NOW this pitching staff desperately needs a shot of confidence!  THAT'S TEK!

    It's CLEAR there's a problem!  Why are SO MANY PITCHERS not locating!?!  NOT executing!?!  Yes!  Lackey & Dice-K just flat out suck, but that is not the case with Buchholz or Lester.

    THIS TEAM DESPERATELY NEEDS A CHANGE!

    TEK NEEDS TO BE GIVEN THE HELM UNTIL THIS SHIP IS RIGHTED!  At least 3 out of 5 games!  Then, ease Salty back into the lead. 

    Anyone who knows baseball, knows the value of a catcher!  First & foremost to the pitching staff!  BUT, he is also the field general!

    Are ALL THESE PITCHERS not executing because of poor mechanics???

    Do we blame the new pitching coach???

    In the short term, Tek is the most logical answer!  If I had absolutely NO CONFIDENCE in Salty before pre-season, I can only imagine how these pitchers were really feeling.  It's not really fair to Salty, but like it or not, THESE GUYS NEED A VERY STEADY HAND RIGHT NOW!!! 

    Tek!  Period!


     
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    He may help the staff if he mixed in a hit occasionally at the plate. I have no idea who judges the talent in this league but this guy has NO CLUE at either end of the Plate. Time to kick the tires on a semi retired Bengi Molina !! LOL 
     
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    Varitek is 39 and can't handle the rigors of everyday catching any longer.    About twice a week is what he can handle.
    Unless Theo gets lucky and finds another catcher, it's sink or swim with Saltalamacchia for most games.
     
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    [QUOTE]don't blame the catcher for the SLACKEY'S and DICEY'S of the world. blame THEO for SLACKEY; blame the whole front office for DICEY. revenues earned from JAPAN, have probably paid DICEY'S salary twice over. get rid of him and wakefield. ADDITION by SUBTRACTION.

    Posted by swandive[/QUOTE]

    Ummm...no, they haven't. I posted a thread on this to clear up this fantasy.

     
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    [QUOTE]Maybe Salty needs to be eased in, but Lester sure pitched good the 2nd time through ... Dice-K just does nothave it anymore, whatever it was he once had.  The catcher does not hold the glove in the middle of the strike zone and demand the pitcher throw it there.   Yet the Dice man threw it there so many times it was sickening.   It is called control, and regardless of whether Tek or Salty are there the time has come for Dice-K to produce or have a seat.   Long relief sounds good ... Trading him would be hard.   Even with paying his salary.   The Mariners might take him, they have a nice setup for Japanese players.   But forget about Dice-K, Lackey is our big problem.   We need 4 solid starters, we have seen 2 step forward.   I suspect Clay will pitch much better next time.  But Lackey looks clue-less and ineffective.  
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]

    I agree easing Salty in was the proper move. Feeding him to the lions was unfair.

    Yes, Lester had a good game. He will have several, despite who his catcher is. That's because measuring a catcher's relevance can't be done over one game, or a short sample-size. The reason is that  pitchers who have everything working on a given night need only to have a catcher not get in his way.

    It's when they don't bring their best stuff to the table that a catcher becomes important.

    In addition, when a pitcher has nothing: no stuff and little command -
    the catcher is almost irrelevant. The reason why the catcher position is so important to a pitching staff is that, in the majority of games, a given pitcher won't be off-form or completely on top of his game. He'll often have enough to win, depending on how it's harnessed.

    The biggest misconception of a catcher's importance is the inability to understand this.
     
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    Varitek was terrible with Buch. Simply look at the numbers. It's a fact, and let's not see your excuses.
     
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    One game sample sizes: a softy trademark.
     
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    I'm not softy, and let's take a look at that "one game sample":

    Clay Buchholz
    99 IP with Varitek: 5.45 ERA
    275.1 IP with other catchers: 3.17 ERA

     
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    I already blew this apart yesterday.
    The accumulative is heavily flawed as pitchers change from year to year, depending on health/form.

    Buch had near twice the ERA with VMART in 2009 as compared to 2010. It's reflective of both physical/mental changes.

    I like how you stated that Buch had so many nice things to say about his private catcher last year...and yet you claim catchers have nothing to do with pitching.

    Keep it coming.
     
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    Oh what a terrible web you weave, when at first, you try so, so, so hard to deceive.
     
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    Even if you believe the Buch warped numbers, what explains every other pitcher doing better with Vtek?
     
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    "Every other pitcher hasn't done better with Varitek.

    The Buch numbers aren't "warped". You need to warp the numbers you advance, which don't prove that catchers have anything to do with pitching.
     
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    [QUOTE]Oh what a terrible web you weave, when at first, you try so, so, so hard to deceive.


    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]



    Need I say more?
     

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