Re: Is time to give Ellsbury a 4 year deal for 60M?
posted at 8/11/2013 8:04 PM EDT
I do believe you reminded me a couple days ago Dempster wasn't a hitter so perhaps we can take the class together.
If you are talking to me, you believed wrong. I never said anything remotely similar to that.
Your argument on the 18 mil for 5 or 6 is valid Moon that's not my point although some would consider that a bargin.
I actually think he might get over $20M a year. I don't consider 418M a bargain, but some GM might. Agreed.
My point were your you were going way overboard on how easily we'll replace him and making poor assesment of the talent we'll have available.
Please. Where did I ever come close to saying Ellsbury can be easily replaced? He can't. My point was this: the trade off is made. If we sign Ellsbury, we don't sign some others and will be weaker at other positions. That's a fact I have yet to even hear you acknowledge.
The trade of is this:
Sign Ellsbury, no comp pick, no upgrades at several other positions.
Do not sign Ellsbury, yes comp pick, $18++M to spend to upgrade 1-4 of these openings: C, 1B, SS or 3B (whichever Boggy does not play), OF and RP.
No, it's not going to be easy to replace what we lose in Ellsbury. It is a step down to JBJ and Vict in CF, but there is certainly a good hope that the pluses of the draft pick and maybe $20M a year to upgrade other positions can offset the loss in the OF.
I don't think i'm wrong remembering you saying Bradley was ready to replace Ells earlier this year. Better outfielder decent hitter with a good OBP were the highlites you noted. Sorry i disagree.
You are wrong. Once the season started and the draft pick was lost to any team trading for Ellsbury, I stopped arguing for trading Ellsbury. I wanted JBJ to start the year in AAA. I wanted him called up and give a chgance in CF with Ellsbur moved to LF, but once Nava started killing the ball, that was not going to happen.
I like to hope a root for the young kids but the fact is we'll suffer next year without him.
Yes, and if we bring him back, we will "suffer" at 2-3 other positions due to lack of funds needed to upgrade.
Yes i know he's gone already so i'll be polite and move on.
I'm still saying the chance he returns here is less than 1%. I do not think Ben wants to sign anyone for more than 4-5 years, and if he did, it wouldn't be for Ellsbury. It might be for a 40+ HR type hitter.