Re: Is time to give Ellsbury a 4 year deal for 60M?
posted at 8/12/2013 12:01 AM EDT
In response to moonslav59's comment:
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In response to hill55's comment:
There is no way I can give you a top offer. That is just a game some are playing. It is up to John Henry how much he wants to spend. I have no idea. I did say that anything less than what he gave Pedroia will not get it done. Take it from there. I have no top offer to give with someone else's money. I will not be the one to complain if he signs elsewhere. I will leave that to others. They can complain and curse Boras.
In response to crazyworldoftroybrown's comment:
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In response to bosoxmal's comment:
It can't possibly be for less than !50 mil for 7 years. That's what he's worth and that's what he'l get---from someone!
Last offseason agent Scott Boras landed lefthand-hitting Gold Glove centerfielder Michael Bourn a four-year, $48 million contract (with a club option for a fifth year at $12 million) when Bourn was coming off a 6.1 WAR season in 155 games (at the same age Jacoby Ellsbury will be this offseason).
Ellsbury has posted a WAR of 4.6 in 109 games this season (through Saturday) with 42 games remaining.
Bourn remains a reasonable comp for Ellsbury.
You kidding me, just look up the stats. Not close, 9 HRs 57 rbi's best season. hahaah
Michael Bourn lacks Jacoby Ellsbury's single outlier season while Ellsbury lacks Bourn's consistency:http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2007&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0
Save the homeruns and RBI for fantasy baseball.
Steady games played is what helped Bourn get his deal.
I happen to think Bourn was worth more than BJ Upton, but Atlanta's GM thought otherwise.
I have to think Ellsbury will get more than both of these two. BJ got $75M/5, so that has to be the starting point for Jacoby.
My guess is he gets at least $90M/5, and probably will get $105M/6 or $120M/7.
I'd certainly pay him $48M/4 if he'd take it. I'd have to think about $75M/5, but I don't think that gets him, and there aren't many other worthy big ticket FAs out there this year.
You would pay him 48M/ 4 if he would take it ? Are you being serious ? Of course he would not take that offer. Shane gets more than that. Even Dempster is being paid more. There is no way we can sign Ellsbury for less than we gave Pedroia. If you don't want to do that , then let him walk and take the draft choice. And , hope the draft choice and Bradley pan out. But don't complain and curse Boras , if and when it all backfires. We can still have fun trying to be a small time, money ball team. Trouble is , that would be wasting our resources and trying to compete with smarter organizations. It will not work, but we can always have fun on here playing around with it. If , on the other hand , we want to build a championship team , we need to spend the money on the best players , and stop with the fantasy baseball .
I said I'd give $75M/5 and $87M/6 and wouldn't complain with $80/5 or $90/6, so of course I'd say yes to $48M/4 and jacoby would say no. That was a response to hill comparing Ellsbury with Bourn, not what I think he will be offered.
I'm still waiting for your top offer. If you don't give it, the don't complain if he signs elsewhere.
There is no way I can give you a top offer. That is just a game some are playing. It is up to John Henry how much he wants to spend. I have no idea. I did say that anything less than what he gave Pedroia will not get it done. Take it from there. I have no top offer to give with someone else's money. I will not be the one to complain if he signs elsewhere. I will leave that to others. They can complain and curse Boras. And they can continue to speculate on how we can win another championship by refusing to spend money on the top talent, while giving big money , short term contracts to veteran ham and eggers. We can continue to develop our prospects. And then , trade an Iglesias for a Peavy. And , we can continue to hope that a kid like Cecchini can be our salvation. We can go on like that for years to come. There will always be more prospects to become excited about. Finally , we can continue to try and get lucky with the Dempsters, while others sign guys like Greinke and Sanchez. I am not trying to be totally negative. We have had a great season so far. I am just trying to say that we cannot hope to compete with the other big market teams without spending the money. Posters can have fun playing with numbers and trying to put together a fantasy lineup. No problem with that. In the end , there is a reason why the big market, big spending teams have won so many championships. What do we want to be ?