It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

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    It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    And as DAD would say..........  "And SON, the rest was HISTORY" !!!!

     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

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    Your stats are 100% solid. Can't disagree with them. It's just that showing Aceves who was boss set the tone for the rest of the season. Right at the beginning, the manager made it clear that last year's antics would not be tolerated and that no player was more important than the team.

     
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    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]Joe, i think that you missed my point ..........  you STAT guys are soooooo smarrrt !!    You failed to factor in ATTITUDE , and there SON, is what this team was all about !!    The playoffs/ W S was not won by season type #'s, but rather a bunch of guys all on the "same page" who would not let DEFEAT get in the way of VICTORY !!!!


     
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    In response to den666's comment:
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    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

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    Your stats are 100% solid. Can't disagree with them. It's just that showing Aceves who was boss set the tone for the rest of the season. Right at the beginning, the manager made it clear that last year's antics would not be tolerated and that no player was more important than the team.

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    I mostly agree, but usually, when no player is more important than the team, they usually mean the #25 guy on the team.  When guys like Beckett, Manny, and Pedro are winning WS's, the line between team and player gets blurred.

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]Joe, i think that you missed my point ..........  you STAT guys are soooooo smarrrt !!    You failed to factor in ATTITUDE , and there SON, is what this team was all about !!    The playoffs/ W S was not won by season type #'s, but rather a bunch of guys all on the "same page" who would not let DEFEAT get in the way of VICTORY !!!!


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    When we won in 2004, and 2007, were Manny and sometimes Pedro, on the 'same page'?  Did OCab not have some issues with his teammates?  Did Lowe not have some problems?

     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    Nick Cafardo commented during the parade coverage, once it became clear to Farrell Aceves wasnt a good fit for the team, he made the right decision to remove him, regardless of what his talent may be able to bring to the team. 

     
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    Nick Cafardo commented during the parade coverage, once it became clear to Farrell Aceves wasnt a good fit for the team, he made the right decision to remove him, regardless of what his talent may be able to bring to the team. 

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    smart man.

     
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    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]Joe, i think that you missed my point ..........  you STAT guys are soooooo smarrrt !!    You failed to factor in ATTITUDE , and there SON, is what this team was all about !!    The playoffs/ W S was not won by season type #'s, but rather a bunch of guys all on the "same page" who would not let DEFEAT get in the way of VICTORY !!!!


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    When we won in 2004, and 2007, were Manny and sometimes Pedro, on the 'same page'?  Did OCab not have some issues with his teammates?  Did Lowe not have some problems?

    [/QUOTE]  Agree,  This years team & playoffs/W S certainly UNIQUE ....  Now watch all the other big $$$ teams look to duplicate the same.......  Really, the days of paying the A-RODS to grow old with big contracts are over !!!


     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]Joe, i think that you missed my point ..........  you STAT guys are soooooo smarrrt !!    You failed to factor in ATTITUDE , and there SON, is what this team was all about !!    The playoffs/ W S was not won by season type #'s, but rather a bunch of guys all on the "same page" who would not let DEFEAT get in the way of VICTORY !!!!


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    See -- you were so wrapped up in mocking Ortiz and you're other ridiculous posts from the get-go that you weren't paying attention to what was going on. from the start of spring

    The guys were on the same page from the start of spring training, long before Aceves was being shown the door.

    Farrell never had to show the players "who was boss" because only weak bosses, who don't have the respect of his players, have to play that card. Farrell had the respect of the players from the get-go, showed he trusted them, showed he had their backs that he didn't have to play games and be the center of attention (like Bobby V.).

    It was professional from the start. Farrell didn't show up players in spring training, treated them like men and professionals. He didn't try to play mind games. The only "antics" the players did last year was in response to Bobby V.'s antics.

    The banishing of Aceves didn't "start" anything. It was just a continuation of him running things consistently. The tone was set from the first day of spring training.

    You're thread should have been titled "It all started when Farrell was shown the door ... of the manager's office."

     
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    In response to royf19's comment:
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]Joe, i think that you missed my point ..........  you STAT guys are soooooo smarrrt !!    You failed to factor in ATTITUDE , and there SON, is what this team was all about !!    The playoffs/ W S was not won by season type #'s, but rather a bunch of guys all on the "same page" who would not let DEFEAT get in the way of VICTORY !!!!


    [/QUOTE]

    See -- you were so wrapped up in mocking Ortiz and you're other ridiculous posts from the get-go that you weren't paying attention to what was going on. from the start of spring

    The guys were on the same page from the start of spring training, long before Aceves was being shown the door.

    Farrell never had to show the players "who was boss" because only weak bosses, who don't have the respect of his players, have to play that card. Farrell had the respect of the players from the get-go, showed he trusted them, showed he had their backs that he didn't have to play games and be the center of attention (like Bobby V.).

    It was professional from the start. Farrell didn't show up players in spring training, treated them like men and professionals. He didn't try to play mind games. The only "antics" the players did last year was in response to Bobby V.'s antics.

    The banishing of Aceves didn't "start" anything. It was just a continuation of him running things consistently. The tone was set from the first day of spring training.

    You're thread should have been titled "It all started when Farrell was shown the door ... of the manager's office."

    [/QUOTE]OH yes, don't evaa agree with BILL-806, just spin it another way and we say the same thing !!!


     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    Nope. It started when Crawford and AGon and Beckett were shipped out. 

    That was the key, for so many obvious reasons.

    Aceves was a footnote in that exercise. 

     
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    Nope. It started when Crawford and AGon and Beckett were shipped out. 

    That was the key, for so many obvious reasons.

    Aceves was a footnote in that exercise. 

    [/QUOTE]No foot note at all ......  J F was not going to let that "apple" rot on the vine at Fenway Paaak.......


     
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]

    You are missing the point about chemistry. I would think you would recognize just how valuable the attitude change really was beginning with the Crawford/Beckett trade.

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:
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    In response to Joebreidey's comment:
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]Joe, i think that you missed my point ..........  you STAT guys are soooooo smarrrt !!    You failed to factor in ATTITUDE , and there SON, is what this team was all about !!    The playoffs/ W S was not won by season type #'s, but rather a bunch of guys all on the "same page" who would not let DEFEAT get in the way of VICTORY !!!!


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    Ugh.....I can't believe this....but I agree with Bill 100%.  I really think that when JF took care of the Aceves situation early on and demoted him to Pawtucket...that showed the team that only good teamates and those who put TEAM FIRST were going to play for him.  It may not have showed up in the win/loss column or in the stats.....but the guy was simply a train wreck and did not deserve to be on this great TEAM.

     
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    In response to LagunaJose's comment:
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    Yep Chemistry was a part of it but it wasn't everything. No injuries this year except for Hanrahan and Bailey.  Comeback years for underperforming players of last year.  Many variables are involved.

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    No injuries?

    Papi starting the year on the DL

    Drew concussion started year on DL

    Ross concussion and missed a month

    Victorino bad back and Hammy...missed 30 games

    Ells broken foot missed two weeks

    Miller missed most of season

    Doubront had a dead shoulder the end of the year and missed 4 starts

    Buch missed half a season

    While we were not torn apart by injuries like the Yankees this year....I would not say that we had 'no injuries'....

     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    What other side?  no injuries, other than Bailey and Hanrahan, pike, is a lot different than pales in comparision to.....

     

     
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    Elles was injured wasn't he? Drew was out a long time. I am sure there were more, but those two are off the top of my head.

     

     
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]Joe, i think that you missed my point ..........  you STAT guys are soooooo smarrrt !!    You failed to factor in ATTITUDE , and there SON, is what this team was all about !!    The playoffs/ W S was not won by season type #'s, but rather a bunch of guys all on the "same page" who would not let DEFEAT get in the way of VICTORY !!!!


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    Ugh.....I can't believe this....but I agree with Bill 100%.  I really think that when JF took care of the Aceves situation early on and demoted him to Pawtucket...that showed the team that only good teamates and those who put TEAM FIRST were going to play for him.  It may not have showed up in the win/loss column or in the stats.....but the guy was simply a train wreck and did not deserve to be on this great TEAM.

    [/QUOTE]B I N G O THAT  !!!  You have come a long way, SON !!!


     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    I loved every player on this year's team except for Aceves.  What a bum!  I wonder how he feels now, missing out on a WS title?  His conduct, despite what talent he had, was detrimental to the team and they made a great move to jettison him!

     
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    Re: It all started when ALFREDO ACEVES was shown the DOOR .....

    In response to Kingface12's comment:
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    In response to LagunaJose's comment:
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    Yep Chemistry was a part of it but it wasn't everything. No injuries this year except for Hanrahan and Bailey.  Comeback years for underperforming players of last year.  Many variables are involved.

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    No injuries?

    Papi starting the year on the DL

    Drew concussion started year on DL

    Ross concussion and missed a month

    Victorino bad back and Hammy...missed 30 games

    Ells broken foot missed two weeks

    Miller missed most of season

    Doubront had a dead shoulder the end of the year and missed 4 starts

    Buch missed half a season

    While we were not torn apart by injuries like the Yankees this year....I would not say that we had 'no injuries'....

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    Ross missed more than a month.

     
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    55-37 up until the RS banished him.

    42-28 after the RS banished him.

    The difference is miniscule (.002).

    In no particular order, the difference was-

    • Drew getting on track after the HBP
    • Papi coming back
    • WMB getting demoted and starting Iggy at 3rd
    • Bailey and Hanrahan going down and making Uehara the closer.

    You'd be surprised how little banishing your #7 RP would have.

    And for the record, he was 4-1.  You might be surprised how little 4-1 hurts you.

    [/QUOTE]

    You are missing the point about chemistry. I would think you would recognize just how valuable the attitude change really was beginning with the Crawford/Beckett trade.

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    Is he?

     

    Does chemistry help winning or winning help chemistry?

     
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