It's never been "The Pitching"

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    If five runs is good pitching, why are both starters gone after having thrown 81 and 82 pitches, respectively?
     
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    In Response to Re: It's never been "The Pitching":
    Wrong! I destroyed Moonswhemp on Wastefield, who didn't get millions. Middlebrooks just did what the winning identity of a team in Fenway park is, get off the snide and belt one out to LF and in the huge gaps to win games where 5 or 6 runs in Fenway is not bad pitching. Max, get out of here with your yearly "it's the pitching"!
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    WRONG! you got destroyed.. don't you find it weird that nobody on the board EVER agrees with you? or is it just that we're all crazy and you are the only reasonable one here swimming in an ocean of dolt...

    Forget this silly clown. He thinks that because he supposedly proved me wrong about Wake, that means I can never ever be right again. That's waht silly clown logic is all about.

    I presented the gamelog numbers. One game at a time. Softy refuses to face the facts.

    The pitching has won 2 games for us by pitching better than the norm while our offense scored less than the norm. The pitching has lost 4 games that we should have won based on us scoring enough runs to normally win (at the league average winning percent per runs scored on offense). That's a net loss of 2 games by the staff.

    The offense has lost us one game (a 1-0 loss), but has won us 4 games we should have lost. See the winning percentages below vs the results per runs scored in 2012 and runs allowed in 2012. (Yesterday's game not included.)

    2012 Sox:

    1  11%  (1-2) should be 0-3 (+1 for pitching)
    2  22%  (0-3) should be 0-3
    3  38%  (0-4) should be 2-2 (-2 for the pitching)
    4  53%  (1-1) should be 1-1
    5  65%  (0-0)
    6  73%  (2-0) should be 1-1 (+1 for the pitching)
    7  80%  (1-0) should be 1-0
    8  89%  (0-0)
    9  91%  (0-1) should be 1-0 (-1 for the pitching)
    10+ 94% (6-1) should be 7-0 (-1 for the pitching)
    Total: -2 wins by pitching staff.

    league Win% 2011-2012 with Runs allowed 2011-2012 avg with 
    (Sox 2012 results):
    1  89%  0-1  should be 1-0 (-1 offense)
    2  79%  3-0  should be 2-1 (+1 offense)
    3  62%  2-2  should be 2-2
    4  47%  1-2  should be 1-2
    5  35%  2-1  should be 1-2 (+1 offense)
    6  27%  2-3  should be 1-4 (+1 offense)
    7  20%  0-1  should be 0-1
    8  11%  0-0
    9    9%  0-0
    10+ 3% 0-4 should be 0-4
    Total: +2 wins for the offense
     
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    FINISH HIM!!
     
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    How about 6 runs, is that good pitching? I'm not expert enough to know where to draw the line.
     
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    [QUOTE]How about 6 runs, is that good pitching? I'm not expert enough to know where to draw the line.
    Posted by devildavid[/QUOTE]

    I like it when Hank explains how when the Red Sox score more than 4 runs they win more when they score less than 4, and how even though statistically the Red Sox are at the top of the AL in hitting and at the bottom in pitching, the pitching is fine and the hitting is bad.

    He really is on the cutting edge of baseball statistical analysys.
     
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     No runs off a walk-on pitcher DH, any issues with this offense?
     
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    Just an issue with Jose Off....errr Adrian Gonzalez.

     
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    [QUOTE]Just an issue with Jose Off....errr Adrian Gonzalez.
    Posted by devildavid[/QUOTE]

     LOL!
     Offerman May 6 1999;  1 13 .354
     A-Gon     May 6  2012   2 15 .264
     
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    Good pitching, and the offense goes 9 innings in a row of the big zero!

    You drones follow the resident board NY shill, Moonshwemp! This team either gets a superstar RH bat or it's a bridge to zero!
     
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    [QUOTE]It's the offense and the lack of a superstar RH profile in the middle of the lineup.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]
    your relief has been more than adequate. their era must be close to 1. your starters on the other hand blow. Beck: when he's on, he's on. Lest: needs to keep his composure after the first base hit against him. Buch: big disappointment. something is definitely up with him.
     
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    [QUOTE]Good pitching, and the offense goes 9 innings in a row of the big zero! You drones follow the resident board NY shill, Moonshwemp! This team either gets a superstar RH bat or it's a bridge to zero!
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

     Lavarnway would help, but they want to hold him back, just so they can control him longer, throwing away a season is not an equal risk to a few million in salary control.
     
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    Rainman Moonshwemp posting drivel! 3 runs or less and this team is a big loser nearly every time! 4 runs or more and this team wins nearly every time! End of story!

    It truly takes an idle mind with a lot of idle time to post this Wastefield data to show that Wastefield was still a bum and wasn't getting his squatter seat for a million dollars in 2012!
     
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    Lavarnway would help, but they want to hold him back, just so they can control him longer, throwing away a season is not an equal risk to a few million in salary control.

    Bean counting for Cherry!

    Bottom line, playing in a hitter's paradise, this nearly quarter of a billion dollar a year payroll can't score a run at home against the vaunted O's for 9 consecutive innings behind nearly an entire game of consective innings of scoreless pitching!

    This game is the poster child for the fatal flaw!
     
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    [QUOTE]We're first in runs scored. We're last in runs allowed. So the problem according to the guy that thinks Ellsbury belongs on the bench behind Cameron thinks the problem is that we should trade pitching for more offense. Just out of curiosity, since we're already 1st in scoring, how much more scoring do we need?
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]
    these first would not exist if they played in a cavenous park like the Mets domain. ask your former homerun power hitter who's doing jack now. this is quite misleading.
     
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    Total runs are meaningless! The game scores are game to game, Joel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Lavarnway would help, but they want to hold him back, just so they can control him longer, throwing away a season is not an equal risk to a few million in salary control. Bean counting for Cherry! Bottom line, playing in a hitter's paradise, this nearly quarter of a billion dollar a year payroll can't score a run at home against the vaunted O's for 9 consecutive innings behind nearly an entire game of consective innings of scoreless pitching! This game is the poster child for the fatal flaw!
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

     Remember the "September" bugaboo? The offense was suffering because the pitching was allowing too many early runs, putting too much pressure on the bats. Eight scoreless innings in a row! What's their excuse now?
     
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    Orioles have the best pitching and best bullpen in the AL. Good pitching trumps good hitting more often than not.
     
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     Note to Hank; the Orioles "won" the game with a three-run homer by a RH power bat at Fenway...you don't know anything, do you?!
     
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    It seems to me that Hank takes a lot of heat on here for stating his opinion. I happen to disagree with his evaluation of Ellsbury , but other than that , he makes good ,common sense baseball observations. Our " offense " leaves a lot to be desired. How can you dispute that ? Building up the stats in blowout games , but repeatedly failing in the close , clutch situations. This by no means absolves the starting pitching , which has absolutely stunk since last September , but our supposedly league leading offense has been atrocious , as well. The combination of lousy starting pitching and lousy clutch hitting is why we are where we are today. But I guess it is easier to blame HankWilliams for stating what should be obvious to all.
     
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    [QUOTE]Lavarnway would help, but they want to hold him back, just so they can control him longer, throwing away a season is not an equal risk to a few million in salary control. Bean counting for Cherry! Bottom line, playing in a hitter's paradise, this nearly quarter of a billion dollar a year payroll can't score a run at home against the vaunted O's for 9 consecutive innings behind nearly an entire game of consective innings of scoreless pitching! This game is the poster child for the fatal flaw!
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

    Are you referring to Mr. o-fer, Adrian Gonzalez? Three pitch strikeout against a non-pitcher with men on base.
     
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    It seems to me that Hank takes a lot of heat on here for stating his opinion. I happen to disagree with his evaluation of Ellsbury , but other than that , he makes good ,common sense baseball observations...

    Like we should sign Nick Johnson?
    Like we should have traded Ells and Jed for AGon not Kelly & Rizzo?
    Like we should have signed VMart and played him at catcher for 4 more years?
    Like we didn't need to upgrade our staff this winter?
    Like TB will fade away every year?
    Like AGon will not extend in April?
    Like AGon will sign for $18M a year?
    Like Mauer will sign with the Twins for $17M a year?
    Like Scutaro will hit below his career averages with Boston?
    Like we shouldn't have then traded Scoot?
    and on and on...

     
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    Again ... it's everything. How can some not see that?
     
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    [QUOTE]It seems to me that Hank takes a lot of heat on here for stating his opinion. I happen to disagree with his evaluation of Ellsbury , but other than that , he makes good ,common sense baseball observations... Like we should sign Nick Johnson? Like we should have traded Ells and Jed for AGon not Kelly & Rizzo? Like we should have signed VMart and played him at catcher for 4 more years? Like we didn't need to upgrade our staff this winter? Like TB will fade away every year? Like AGon will not extend in April? Like AGon will sign for $18M a year? Like Mauer will sign with the Twins for $17M a year? Like Scutaro will hit below his career averages with Boston? Like we shouldn't have then traded Scoot? and on and on...
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]
    I don't keep track of all that stuff. Just talking about what I see lately. We certainly could use a good right handed bat. Maybe it can come from within. I don't see any realistic trade opportunities out there at present.  But to say that our offense is fine , is to ignore what is going on. The problem is the starting pitching and the offense. Both.
     
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    [QUOTE]Again ... it's everything. How can some not see that?
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    Of course we could use more timely hitting, but that is something that is hard to trade for, because it is hard to identify what player is about to hit well in the clutch. You put a good offensive team on the field and roll the dice. Right now, we have rolled snake eyes with 1/3rd of our line-up out, our defense in shambles, and our staff in disarray.

    The point is, right now, pitching is a higher priority than a big RH'd bat. That's not saying we don't need a bat.

    What silly clown won't tell you is that he was against the Matt Holliday signing, because he wasn't an "elite" hitter. His numbers since the deal?

    .309/.388/.534/.922

    (BTW, had we signed Matt, we most likely wouldn't have CC.)

     
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    [QUOTE]Again ... it's everything. How can some not see that?
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    well... the solution then might be to completely root for another team.

    not gonna happen.


     

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