In Response to Re: I've Had Enough of Darnell McDonald
[QUOTE]Rays farm system is so good because they stockpiled 10 plus years of #1 picks. Don't be fooled. Sucking for their entire existence before 2008 will do that for a team.
Posted by SoxNPats76[/QUOTE]
That was then: this is now.
David Price was the #1 pick in 2007. He's not in their farm system anymore.
Neither is #8 round pick Matt Moore (anyone could have drafted him).
The Rays last #1 overall pick was in 2008. It was Tim Beckham. He's the only top 10 Rays prospect from the "lean era". In fact, nobody from that last draft helped by their poor 2007 season is a top prospect.
The Rays farm system is strong right now for several different reasons. They had the 30th pick in 2009, 17th in 2010, and 32nd in 2011. Yet, it is still strong in part becuase of the last 3 drafts.
1) The Rays have a good scouting and player development staff.
2) The Rays have traded several players before they become free agents or high-priced players and received many good prospects in return.
3) The Rays have drafted good players in latter rounds during the "lean years":
#75 W Davis
#135 Jake McGee
#358 Ryan Zimmerman
#109 Alex Cobb
#245 Matt Moore
#289 Desmond Jennings
4) The Rays became masters of stockpiling top round draft picks by offering arb to marginal players and allowing them to become free agents to get the comp picks. They even traded fro Brad Hawpe just to get a draft pick. This is the main reason their farm system is so deep right now. They had a MLB record 10 1st or supplemental round picks in 2011 and 2 secon round picks. That was a total of 12 picks in the top 60 overall picks! This happened after just having a very good season!
Looking closer at how they managed to stockpile prospects. The players the Rays lost to free agency and gained picks were mostly very easily replaceable with MLB ready prospects, low cost free agent signings, of trades. Here's a breakdown:
#24 and #41 picks for Crawford (Got rid of him just in time.)
#31 and #38 picks for Soriano (He was hurt shortly thereafter.)
#42 and #75 picks for Grant Balfour
#52 for Brad Hawpe
#56 for Joaquin Benoit
#59 for Randy Choate
#60 for Chad Qualls
In 2010, the Rays got these "extra picks":
#31 for failing to sign LeVon Wshington in 2009.
#42 for Greg Zaun
#79 for failure to sign Kenny Diekroeger.
In short, the Rays got 12 of the top 89 picks in 2011 and 6 of the top 98 in 2010. That's 18 top 98 picks (6 times the expected number).
Many of these later picks were gained by losing marginal relief pitchers. The Rays were able to rebuild their pen pretty well considering losing all those arms in one winter. They rebuilt it at a very low cost relatively speaking.
Key trades helped them fill ket need areas and build up the farm as well:
11/2007: Delmon Young, Brendan Harris, and Jason Pride for
Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett and Ed Morlan (minors)
8/2009: Scott Kazmir for
Sean Rodriguez (now the starting SS), Matt Sweeney, and Alex Torres (a top 10 Rays prospect).
12/2010: Jason Bartlett and Cash for
Adam Russell, Brandon Gomes, Cesar Ramos, and Cole Figueroa (minors)
1/2011: Matt Garza, Z Rosscup, and F Perez for
Sam Fuld, Robinson Chirinos (a good catching prospect), Chris Archer (now a top 10 rays prospect), Hak-Ju Lee (now a top 10), Brandon Guyer (a good prospect).
Delmon Young and kazmir have not amounted to much after the trades. Bartlett and garza are both still quality players, but if you look at what they have in retrun for these 4 players, one can easily see why the Rays are a strong major league team with a very good and deep farm system.
Top Rays Prospects:
Desmond Jennings (#289th pick)
Alex Cobb (#109th pick)
1) Matt Moore (8th round pick in '07)
2) Hak-Ju Lee (Part of trade for Garza)
3) Enny Romero (Int'l FA signing)
4) Alex Torres (Part of Kazmir trade)
5) Mike Mahtook (2011 draft pick for Soriano)
6) Taylor Guerrieri (2011 draft pick for Crawford)
7) Drew Vettleson (Supp 2010 pick for Greg Zaun)
8) Chris Archer (Part of Garza trade)
9) Tim Beckham (#1- 1st pick in 2008) from the "old era"
10) Brandon Guyer (Part of Garza trade)
11) Alex Colome (Int'l FA)
12) Tyler Goeddel (supp pick in 2011 for Crawford)
13) Parker Markel (39th round in 2010)
14) Ryan Brett (3rd round 2010)
15) Josh Sale (1st round 2010)
16) Jake Hager (1st round in 2011)
17) Brandon Martin (supp in 2011 for Soriano)
18) Lenny Linsky (2nd round 2011)
19) Oscar Hernandez (Int'l FA)
20) Derek Dietrich (2nd round 2010 for Diekroeger)
21) Ryan Carpenter (7th round 2011)
22) Johnny Eierman (3rd round 2011)
23) Granden Goetzman (2nd round 2011 for Grant Balfour))
24) Felipe Rivero (Int'l FA)
25) Grayson Garvin (Supp pick 2011 for Randy Choate)
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