Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

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    Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    I seem to recall a great deal of discussion regarding Jurrjens as a possible trade target last offseason.  His numbers from last year are ugly but as one of those low cost flyers, any thoughts?

     

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/quick-hits-keppinger-soriano-dodgers-orioles.html

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jurrjja01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    I always liked this guy. We should kick the tires.

     
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    If Ben picks up Jurrjens, it's going to be like 2011 again when Ben picked up Cook.  We need solid SP, not non-tender candidate for low-cost-possible-mediocre-return

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    If Ben picks up Jurrjens, it's going to be like 2011 again when Ben picked up Cook.  We need solid SP, not non-tender candidate for low-cost-possible-mediocre-return


    It's not an either/or proposition.

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    If Ben picks up Jurrjens, it's going to be like 2011 again when Ben picked up Cook.  We need solid SP, not non-tender candidate for low-cost-possible-mediocre-return




    You can spend alot of $ and get terrible returns also. Lackey, Zito, Pavano, Igawa, Brown,etc... the list goes on & on. Kick the tires, you can get lucky also sometimes, just take a good luck at Orioles staff this past year. Gonzalez, Chen, and Hamel for almost 1/2 of what RS paid John Lackey last year, anchored the O' staff all year. With RS staff the way it is they should leave no stone unturned. Maybe Lester, Buchholz, and Lackey all pitch great next yr - but if I were a betting man, I'd start turning over some stones?

     

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to garyhow's comment:

    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    If Ben picks up Jurrjens, it's going to be like 2011 again when Ben picked up Cook.  We need solid SP, not non-tender candidate for low-cost-possible-mediocre-return




    You can spend alot of $ and get terrible returns also. Lackey, Zito, Pavano, Igawa, Brown,etc... the list goes on & on. Kick the tires, you can get lucky also sometimes, just take a good luck at Orioles staff this past year. Gonzalez, Chen, and Hamel for almost 1/2 of what RS paid John Lackey last year, anchored the O' staff all year. With RS staff the way it is they should leave no stone unturned. Maybe Lester, Buchholz, and Lackey all pitch great next yr - but if I were a betting man, I'd start turning over some stones?

     



    I agree with you.  What I'm saying is if Jurrjen is the guy who will be in the rotation on opening day or pitches 130+ innings for the Sox next saeson, then Ben did not address the pitching issue correctly.  He can't depend on those guys every year in and out.  Jurjjens can be backup plan, perhaps sign him to minor league deal and see how he does.  If he somewhat shows he can pitch in the major again and our rotation needs serious help, that's kind of situation he will spot start a game or two IMO. 

     
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    I heard the same thing when Theo signed Aceves.

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    Ben should look under EVERY single rock to find more pitching.

    I have long been a believer in finding six to eight guys like Jurrjens every year and hope that one or two of them either get healed or fix their problems during the off season.

    Even if none of them turn out to help the major league team these guys are going to be low cost and many will even sign minor league contracts with major league invites to spring training.

     
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    Nothing worong in considering him. Can we sign him to a ML deal with an opt out,like Cook had, if hes not on the MLB roster say by june-july? We need some low cost depth moves like this...

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to charliedarling's comment:

    Ben should look under EVERY single rock to find more pitching.

    I have long been a believer in finding six to eight guys like Jurrjens every year and hope that one or two of them either get healed or fix their problems during the off season.

    Even if none of them turn out to help the major league team these guys are going to be low cost and many will even sign minor league contracts with major league invites to spring training.




    I agree completely with this philosophy. In addition, Jurrjens will only be 27 next season, so it's not like signing some washed-up 37 year-old. If he gets straightened out and returns to form, the upside could be big; if not, we will have risked very little.

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    If Ben picks up Jurrjens, it's going to be like 2011 again when Ben picked up Cook.  We need solid SP, not non-tender candidate for low-cost-possible-mediocre-return




    Sean, why are they mutually exclusive?  And you cannot compare Cook, who has been terrible almost all his career, to Jurrjens who has been good almost all his career....and is only 26.

     
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    My nephew lives in Atlanta and says he is a talent but a headache as well. Atlanta usually does not like head cases.

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    I think the thing that a lot of posters are missing is that we cannot have an unlimited roster.

    He would serve no purpose in the BP, so he is either part of the rotation, or he is a minor leaguer. Nobody stores major league SPs in the BP just in case they need a #6.  #6 SPs are usually #5 SPs that can no longer land a major league job, like Millwood or Cook.  Or else they are a BP arm that can go 5 like Morales or Aceves.  Or they are a minor leaguer.

    In addition, he is going to look at the rosters of the teams that are interested in him.  If the RS tell him that he is their #5 guaranteed, maybe he joins us, but that is not in our best interest.  Or else we sign another #5, in which case it is not in his best interest to join us.

    His best interest is in joining a low-end team.

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I always liked this guy. We should kick the tires.




    I think someone already kick his arm ? TWICE !!! Instead of repairing their arm, just send them to Boston and the  arm will heal by itself.Will be the only team in baseball with a maximum pitch count of fifty.

     
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    53W 37L  3.62-ERA Six Years. Only 26 Years Old, I Like Him......

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    In response to garyhow's comment:

    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    If Ben picks up Jurrjens, it's going to be like 2011 again when Ben picked up Cook.  We need solid SP, not non-tender candidate for low-cost-possible-mediocre-return




    You can spend alot of $ and get terrible returns also. Lackey, Zito, Pavano, Igawa, Brown,etc... the list goes on & on. Kick the tires, you can get lucky also sometimes, just take a good luck at Orioles staff this past year. Gonzalez, Chen, and Hamel for almost 1/2 of what RS paid John Lackey last year, anchored the O' staff all year. With RS staff the way it is they should leave no stone unturned. Maybe Lester, Buchholz, and Lackey all pitch great next yr - but if I were a betting man, I'd start turning over some stones?

     



    I agree with you.  What I'm saying is if Jurrjen is the guy who will be in the rotation on opening day or pitches 130+ innings for the Sox next saeson, then Ben did not address the pitching issue correctly.  He can't depend on those guys every year in and out.  Jurjjens can be backup plan, perhaps sign him to minor league deal and see how he does.  If he somewhat shows he can pitch in the major again and our rotation needs serious help, that's kind of situation he will spot start a game or two IMO. 




    He would be a ML contract with an invite. A depth move.

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    don't know much about this guy but i love the fact that hes young. sometimes a guy just has to find the right system to be in to flourish. look at Miller, bounced from team to team. pitching coach to pitching coach. they all said he wan an enigma, great stuff but just couldn't put it all together. came to boston and now seems like hes found his niche.

    as far as being our #5 or coming to boston in a MiL contract with a ST invite i don't know because like i said, i don't know much about him and have never seen him pitch. but you gotta kick the tires on any and everyone who can potentially help the team

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to mef429's comment:

    don't know much about this guy but i love the fact that hes young. sometimes a guy just has to find the right system to be in to flourish. look at Miller, bounced from team to team. pitching coach to pitching coach. they all said he wan an enigma, great stuff but just couldn't put it all together. came to boston and now seems like hes found his niche.

    as far as being our #5 or coming to boston in a MiL contract with a ST invite i don't know because like i said, i don't know much about him and have never seen him pitch. but you gotta kick the tires on any and everyone who can potentially help the team




    funny thing, it was BV who suggested Miller pitch out of the stretch exclusivly and have his delivery more compact...Seems to have worked...

     
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    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    In response to mef429's comment:

    don't know much about this guy but i love the fact that hes young. sometimes a guy just has to find the right system to be in to flourish. look at Miller, bounced from team to team. pitching coach to pitching coach. they all said he wan an enigma, great stuff but just couldn't put it all together. came to boston and now seems like hes found his niche.

    as far as being our #5 or coming to boston in a MiL contract with a ST invite i don't know because like i said, i don't know much about him and have never seen him pitch. but you gotta kick the tires on any and everyone who can potentially help the team




    funny thing, it was BV who suggested Miller pitch out of the stretch exclusivly and have his delivery more compact...Seems to have worked...




    BV certainly had his moments. super smart guy. just a huge ego and doesn't work well with others

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to charliedarling's comment:

    Ben should look under EVERY single rock to find more pitching.

    I have long been a believer in finding six to eight guys like Jurrjens every year and hope that one or two of them either get healed or fix their problems during the off season.

    Even if none of them turn out to help the major league team these guys are going to be low cost and many will even sign minor league contracts with major league invites to spring training.



    Agreed.  I actually feel like we do a fairly good job of this.  (Prior, Germano, Hill)... While I love these kind of deals, the problem often becomes pulling the trigger on calling them up.  Germano sat in AAA w/ ERA in the mid 2's.  THere was no where to put him.

     
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    Re: Jair Jurrjens to be nontendered?

    In response to mef429's comment:

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    In response to mef429's comment:

    don't know much about this guy but i love the fact that hes young. sometimes a guy just has to find the right system to be in to flourish. look at Miller, bounced from team to team. pitching coach to pitching coach. they all said he wan an enigma, great stuff but just couldn't put it all together. came to boston and now seems like hes found his niche.

    as far as being our #5 or coming to boston in a MiL contract with a ST invite i don't know because like i said, i don't know much about him and have never seen him pitch. but you gotta kick the tires on any and everyone who can potentially help the team




    funny thing, it was BV who suggested Miller pitch out of the stretch exclusivly and have his delivery more compact...Seems to have worked...




    BV certainly had his moments. super smart guy. just a huge ego and doesn't work well with others




    True. Whatever his shortcomings, Valentine did make some good calls on baseball matters...I believe it was his decision to try Morales out as a starter, and he was very much against Bard moving to the rotation in spring training.

     
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