In response to pumpsie-green's comment:
In response to softlaw2's comment:
This is factually incorrect. People who are gay are, in fact, born that way. Its not a choice.
There is no science that "people are born with same-sex sexual proclivity". But "being born with a behavior" doesn't make it moral or natural.
It takes small minded persons to continue a narrative that uses the term "gay" as an identity. Same-sex sexual behavior proclivity is the issue, and the political agenda to try and legally classify people based upon public declarations of same-sex sexual behavior proclivity is as legally absurd as pretending that abortion as birth control is is a right based on whether life is in the first, second or third trimester.
If mankind wants to call personal sexual behavior and relationship (these laws were and are the exclusive jurisdiction of the States and were all based on sectarian tenets) moral authority on wrong and right, wrong, based on a majority of mankind's secular reasoning, the Constitution allows States to license the marriages of first cousins and/or same-sex couples. However, there is patently no Constituional right to marriage, and equal protection regarding marriage laws is not violated when men and women are allowed to marry. The Supreme Court is fallable, though, as the abortion, taxing powers and commerce clause cases have manifestly demonstrated.
The timing and media grandizement monolithic campaign that followed the Jason Collins' public pronouncement regarding his present sexual proclivity places the issue of the motivation for the pronouncement squarely on the same table as the very issue of public pronouncements regarding sexual proclvity and the legitimacy of a federal class group idenity for persons who make same-sex sexual proclivty pronouncements.
The reality is that the motivation and moral authority for the current media and politically driven narrative is completely bereft of intellectual integrity. Of course it has no Judeo-Christian-Islamo integrity. The superficiality of the public monoloithic narrative is revealed in terms like "gay" and "coming out".
The issue of hazing and disrespect of human beings, regardless of the motivation for doing so, cannot be intellectually advanced as the reason for changing public laws with regard to persons who share a particular behavioral proclivity. Just as "hate crimes" (supplementing age old common law crimes) are intellecutally and legally illegitimate cover, in their application if not Constitutionality, to advance an agenda of legitimazing groups of persons classified under the artifice of shared publicly proclaimed sexual proclivity and by one specific gender. These laws patently violate equal protection in their application.
It is truly demented to use youth as props "see primary school letter to the current President, repeating all talking points", for an agenda driven by adults with fully formed emotional capacity to engage in a debate about the virtue and Constituonality of this issue. And it is worth noting that the "hateful" opposition on this issue have, in addition to religous tenets as moral authority, and natural law, a firm conviction that it is emotional and sexually maturing youth who will suffer from the sexual identity confusion that is mainfestly inherent in both same-sex sexual relationships and the body politic licensing such relationships.
The reality is that there is a total absense of, and censorship of, intellectual debate on this issue, which is highlighted by a childishly emotional narrative that misuses words like "gay" to distract from the very essence of the issue at hand, sexual behavioral proclivity vs. genetic sexual identity. The use of "hater" and "bullied" are bugaboos to try and evoke sympathy and/or empathy, and, of course, guilt, from as many people as possible.
The true irony is that gender discrimination is inherently manifest in same-sex sexual relationships licensed or unlicensed by a body politic, as well as in public pronouncments of same-sex sexual proclivity.
There is also irony of the self-proclamed "tolerant" attempting to procure central decrees to order States to license same-sex couples, which is inherently intolerant.
An intellectual examination of these issues should give one pause before embracing the assumptions and presumptions being advanced by the current narrative of "gay" and "coming out" and "gay marriage", not to mention the very scientific purpose of human gender and the history of mankind. While it may be politically expedient to frame the issue as secular vs. the need to "update" the body politics' adoption of sectarian Canon Law on issues of State laws regarding sexual behavior and sexual relationships, the Constitutional and Natural Law issues raised are quite profound.
What a croc of unadulterated stool Softy. You have outdone yourself with this prolific batch of typewritten oral diarrhea. The basic problem you have is that you do not recognize gay Americans as a legitimate minority group that has been oppressed here for generations. Even today there are literally hundreds of laws that discriminate against them. In some states its legal to fire gay employees just because they are gay. Is that fair Softy? Most civilized countries are now passing appropriate laws aimed at correcting this, and hopefully in June the Supreme Court will affirm what most of this country now believes is right. You are a real work of art Softy; not good art, but really bad art.
You want everything to be fair for everyone? Really? What about the kids who are picked on because they are overweight, wear braces, come from the wrong side of town or don't have the best clothes.
What about kids who are bullied through social media? Some of those kids who are hetero are killing themselves because they can't stand being picked-on.
What about kids like my son who has attention defecite disorder. Yes, I called my son disordered because that is the correct medical term just as same sex attraction disorder is the correct medical term.
He was horribly pick-on as a kid. I could tell you stories that would break your heart. I give him a lot of credit for surviving and thriving. I believe a stong family and a strong faith helped him through. He still carries the scars.
I was abused as a child by a man and a teen-age boy in my neighborhood just because I was a pretty little girl. I still carry the scars.
Life is unfair, it stinks sometime, we do not live in paradise.
I believe those with ssad should be able to work and live without being bullied. My husband employs a man with ssad. He and his 'partner' came to my home when we hosted a christmas party. No one should be attacked or picked-on for any reason. Those with ssad should be treated with respect because they are made in the image and likeness of God.
That being said we as a country should not change our laws on marraige because some suffer with this disorder.
Marriage has been between a man and a woman in multiple cultures for thousands of years. There is a reason for that, the natural law. The same law that dictates that murder, stealing and adultery is wrong. We naturally know these things to be wrong, why? Because it is written on our hearts.
Some say SSAD marriage doesn't hurt me. You are wrong. Society is built on marriage. A strong home life helps to create strong citizens. Good citizens make a better country for me and my family.
If marriage is based soley on who loves who then the fabric of our country will change. If two men love three women then there is nothing to stop them from getting married. If someone loves their sibling and they have surgery to prevent children then there is nothing to stop them from getting married.
The whole moral fabric of our society will be torn and yes, that will affect me and my family.
There are those who say this will never happen. It has already happened in another area. First we had the pill. That allowed for the so called sexual revolution. That resulted in more unwanted pregnancys. That lead to more abortions. First trimester, then second trimester then third trimester was allowed. That lead to partail birth abortion. Now we are dealing with children who are killed after they are born alive because of a failed abortion.
When society starts down a slippery slope anything can and does happen.
Ok, I'm ready for the hateful posts coming my way.