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    Re: Jason Collins

    In response to 67redsox's comment:

     

    In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:

     

    I am confused.  If Obama is a Marxist because of his health care reform policy and his tax policy, what does that make Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon?

     




    What's your point?  Obama wants to distribute the wealth, level the playing field.  I never heard reagan or nixon talk that way.  Go on youtube and listen to obama talk about one world governance and how one country shouldn't be above another.

     

    Obama went around the world to apologize and bow down to other leaders.  I can't in my wildest dreams picture reagan doing that.

    Obama feels that people should be only so wealthy, there should be a limit.  Obama is a very rich man, I guess it's ok for him but not for others.

    There is a large increase of people using the government to pay for there needs.  More people on food stamps now than in any other time in our country.  If obama is doing such a great job fixing the economy why so many on the government dole.

    I'll tell you why. Obama wants people to depend on government handouts because those same people keep him in office. Almost 50% of our country doesn't pay income tax.  I sure would vote for a man who didn't ask a dime from me but gives me loads of other peoples money. My money.

    If this isn't socialism in the making then what it.  Reagan was so far from this it's not even funny.  Our country was far better off under reagan.

    You all are having a great time putting down christians and republians right now.  But when the whole country looks like greece or california you won't be laughing.

    Maybe some of you feel it's not your problem because you are older, what about your children and grandchildren.  Obama has added more debt than all the presidents up to w combined with no end in sight. Trillions after trillion of dollors on your children's shoulders. For all of you to take this so lightly is a disgrace.  Don't you care what will happen to your children and grandchildren.  Arn't you worried that this massive outlandish debt is going to destroy their country.

    No, you think this is all so funny, poor old republicans, pathetic christians, while your progressives are piling on massive debts for our kids.  Keep up with your social programs, give people free stuff cradle to grave.  You will not be happy with the results.  If you're not alive to see the results of your folly your children and grandchildren will be.  Shame on all of you.

     



    There is some truth to what you say. But, sorry, much of it is disjointed and misinformational. Also, Obama's policies so far appears to be the lesser of 2 bad approaches. Don't you remember what happened in 2008? I assume you are aware this is why Obama won.  Do you realize most economists applauded his stimulus approach to confront a dire situation, thanks largely to the preceding Commander iN CHIEF? And, do you have a LINK showing that 50% (Children excepted) DON"T pay income taxes? How about some of the UBER companies & individuals who don't pay any or very little, and the increase in those during W? And did you check the #s regarding deficits vs administrations? 

    As stated before, I believe you're entitled to your opinions. However, you are now showing NO respect for other opinions. As a result, why should anyone respect yours? 

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Except this didn't happen

    Except, it has happened and the feds are paying the debt by printing money. And yes, corporations and China have already entered into contracts where the dollar is not the currency value used for the transaction.

    Again, once the interest rates skyrocket like the cost of food and fuel, the fed will be unable to print enough money to avoid a default and will in fact devalue the currency. In addition, the dollar will not be the world currency reserve rate for trade, for much longer.



    This is pure economic fantasy. Inflation has not been a problem. As long Oil and the Chinese currency are tied to dollar the dollar is king. Your economic knowledge is extremely limited, you don't even know enough to pretend to be an Austrian.

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Except this didn't happen

    Except, it has happened and the feds are paying the debt by printing money. And yes, corporations and China have already entered into contracts where the dollar is not the currency value used for the transaction.

    Again, once the interest rates skyrocket like the cost of food and fuel, the fed will be unable to print enough money to avoid a default and will in fact devalue the currency. In addition, the dollar will not be the world currency reserve rate for trade, for much longer.



    Cherry picking & so far speculative

     
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    Republicans are literally dying off - Romney won the over 70 vote by 26%. Meanwhile, young voters are becoming more and more engaged. Republicans keep doubling down on idiocy and bigotry - unless they can pass some sort of Benjamin Button legislation, it's hard to see them competing in the near future.

    So, the question is, will you die off when the U.S. government defaults on the debt or devalues the currency, defaults on your Ward of the State benefits.

    Bigotry is pandering entitlments to federal group racial and ethnic and economic classes, which is the essence of the party that used to be the party of segragation.

    Justice will come in the form of a soup line, for young poeple intoxciated with the platform of the Democrat Party. No, it's not possible to perpetually pay debts by printing currency. No, it's not possible to provide housing, healthcare and food to over 100 million people who work part-time or don't work at all.  Even if Pelosi and Reid and Obama tell you that if you vote for them they will make sure you get what you feel all humanity should be entitled to.

     

     



    A heretical fantastical response to a cogent point. 

    The reality is the Republicans need to re-find REAL Conservatism (hard to do, given their spheres of influence), and hope they can connect this goal to the current electorate; not alienate them with the Mourdocks & Aikens of the party & rejecting global popular common sense legislation.

     

     
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    Nikita Khrushev Quote September 29, 1959



    DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN HE APPEARED AT THE U.N. AND HIT HIS SHOE ON THE PODIUM?


    THIS WAS HIS QUOTE:

    "Your children's children will live under Communism. You Americans are so gullible. No, you won't accept Communism outright; but we'll keep feeding you small doses of Socialism until you will finally wake up and find that you already have Communism. We won't have to fight you; We'll So Weaken Your Economy, until you fall like overripe fruit into our hands.

    WE'RE ALMOST THERE!!!

     

    This was posted by SFBostonFan a day or so ago. 

    How socialism then communsim creep into a republic?

    Take over the newspapers.  Obama gets a free pass on most of what he does.  Look at bengahzi for example.  The very night american soil is being attacked obama goes to bed and doesn't give the ok for troops to enter into the country to help those on the ground.  The day after the attack on american soil with americans dead he heads off to las vagas for a fund raiser.  Nothing in the paper.  Bush continues to read to school children for 7 minutes and the main stream press has a field day with it.

    Take over the schools.  There is a school in texas that doesn't teach christianity or other religions but they do teach about the muslem religion and had school girls dress in burkas in the class room.  One college brought in a conservative teacher as and experiment.  There are so many progressives teaching that a conservative is unusual.  This are but two examples of a larger problem.

    Take religion out of the main stream.  That is very evident on this board.  On person told me I shouldn't bring my christian views into social discussions.  I guess I'm supposed to pray for one hour on sunday and leave my faith in the church.  Socialist and communsit countries don't allow for the freedom of religion.

    Level the playing field, make everything fair.  Well, there has been alot of that talk on this thread also.  My daughter in law was born in a communist country where everything was fair.  Because some women had to work after having children the all women had to go to work about 40 days after birth.  If they refused to go to work they were sent to prison.  Fair is fair after all.

    No one could own cars or cameras because if one person couldn't own a car then nobody could, must be fair. She hated living under this system.  Others must also because countries who have these policies build walls or prevent their people from leaving.  This is were we are heading, this is what you want.

    Villify capitalism.  Pelosi just loved occupy wall street.  You see obama wanted to take more from the rich.  My husband worked very hard to make a success out of his life and we end up giving the government nearly 50% of our money.  How much more does obama want.  When does it get to the point of giving up, why work so hard only to have your money taken and given to young girls so they can buy birth control. Obama spends trillions opon trillions with no end in sight.  He is destroy america as we know it.

    Khrushev was right.  Progressives want to progress towards a social order that has nothing to do with a republic. The more the government gives you the more they own you.  Those who vote for obama are addicted to government hand outs and they are given out in record amounts.  The young don't care about the republic, they want free tuition, free birth control, legalized pot and so on.

     

    So progressives crow all you want, I'm sure Khrushev is laughing right along with you.

     
     
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    Re: Jason Collins

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Except this didn't happen

    Except, it has happened and the feds are paying the debt by printing money. And yes, corporations and China have already entered into contracts where the dollar is not the currency value used for the transaction.

    Again, once the interest rates skyrocket like the cost of food and fuel, the fed will be unable to print enough money to avoid a default and will in fact devalue the currency. In addition, the dollar will not be the world currency reserve rate for trade, for much longer.




    Sounds like germany after WWl

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

    In response to nhsteven's comment:

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

     

    Except this didn't happen

    Except, it has happened and the feds are paying the debt by printing money. And yes, corporations and China have already entered into contracts where the dollar is not the currency value used for the transaction.

    Again, once the interest rates skyrocket like the cost of food and fuel, the fed will be unable to print enough money to avoid a default and will in fact devalue the currency. In addition, the dollar will not be the world currency reserve rate for trade, for much longer.

     



    Cherry picking & so far speculative

     




    No it isn't.  Money is being poured into our economy at alarming rates.  We are trillions in debt with no end in sight because obama is fast a loose with our money.  This can't continue forever.  Think wymar (sp) republic after WWl

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

    In response to nhsteven's comment:

    In response to 67redsox's comment:

     

    In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:

     

    I am confused.  If Obama is a Marxist because of his health care reform policy and his tax policy, what does that make Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon?

     




    What's your point?  Obama wants to distribute the wealth, level the playing field.  I never heard reagan or nixon talk that way.  Go on youtube and listen to obama talk about one world governance and how one country shouldn't be above another.

     

    Obama went around the world to apologize and bow down to other leaders.  I can't in my wildest dreams picture reagan doing that.

    Obama feels that people should be only so wealthy, there should be a limit.  Obama is a very rich man, I guess it's ok for him but not for others.

    There is a large increase of people using the government to pay for there needs.  More people on food stamps now than in any other time in our country.  If obama is doing such a great job fixing the economy why so many on the government dole.

    I'll tell you why. Obama wants people to depend on government handouts because those same people keep him in office. Almost 50% of our country doesn't pay income tax.  I sure would vote for a man who didn't ask a dime from me but gives me loads of other peoples money. My money.

    If this isn't socialism in the making then what it.  Reagan was so far from this it's not even funny.  Our country was far better off under reagan.

    You all are having a great time putting down christians and republians right now.  But when the whole country looks like greece or california you won't be laughing.

    Maybe some of you feel it's not your problem because you are older, what about your children and grandchildren.  Obama has added more debt than all the presidents up to w combined with no end in sight. Trillions after trillion of dollors on your children's shoulders. For all of you to take this so lightly is a disgrace.  Don't you care what will happen to your children and grandchildren.  Arn't you worried that this massive outlandish debt is going to destroy their country.

    No, you think this is all so funny, poor old republicans, pathetic christians, while your progressives are piling on massive debts for our kids.  Keep up with your social programs, give people free stuff cradle to grave.  You will not be happy with the results.  If you're not alive to see the results of your folly your children and grandchildren will be.  Shame on all of you.

     



    There is some truth to what you say. But, sorry, much of it is disjointed and misinformational. Also, Obama's policies so far appears to be the lesser of 2 bad approaches. Don't you remember what happened in 2008? I assume you are aware this is why Obama won.  Do you realize most economists applauded his stimulus approach to confront a dire situation, thanks largely to the preceding Commander iN CHIEF? And, do you have a LINK showing that 50% (Children excepted) DON"T pay income taxes? How about some of the UBER companies & individuals who don't pay any or very little, and the increase in those during W? And did you check the #s regarding deficits vs administrations? 

    As stated before, I believe you're entitled to your opinions. However, you are now showing NO respect for other opinions. As a result, why should anyone respect yours? 



    Obama's policies has record number of people on food stamps and the job rate is still bad.  Lots of money is being poured into our economy, printed by the feds, so of course thing look rosie.  They are not.

    My information is not disjointed or misinformational.  Simply because you are not already aware of the information I have presented does not mean it's misinformation.

    Obama won for alot of reasons.  Some people just wanted to vote for the first black president, some people didn't want to vote for another republican.  Some of those people have regreted  voting for obama. 

    I am not here to defend bush, he is on his ranch having a good old time for himself.  Obama is in the oval office so I think people need to stop using bush as a crutch.

    Obama said he would cut the defficit in half, he has added trillions and trillions.  He said he would have the most transparent presidency, well look at how he got obamacare passed, look at bengahzi.  The man is anything but transparent.

    Obama said there would be no more red or blue states just the united states.  He has been one of the most divisive presidents to hold office.  I am not here to defend bush, the man has retired.  You can say most economist applaud him, were is your link.  I'm sure that there are many economists who say he is doing a terrible job.

    I believe any president would look good if they had the advantage of having money printed and poured into the economy.  That is not something to feel good about.

    I did not mean to offend you or anyone else.  I just can't wrap my head around the fact that my generation is destroying our childrens future with this mountain of debt and no one seems to care.

    I look at my baby granddaughter and wonder what her future will be. At the end of obama's presidency we will be 20 trillion in debt, 20 trillion, my goodness.  I hope all those young ladies find free birth control to be worth it.

    I'm heading out but I will find the link for you.

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

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    There is also the concentration of wealth issue

    The distribution of wealth issue isn't the result of monopoly corporations and robber barrons. It's the result of the rise of collectivism in central government and the ease of joining other Wards of the State, as opposed to getting fleeced by income and entititlement taxes and having to work constantly just to live at a standard of living that is much less than it was when this Nation had the largest middle class in World history.

     



    Disagree; over the last 3 decades, check the Minimum Wage rise, CEO & Senior Mgmt portfolios vs the average worker in a corporation, & Wall Street

     

     



    We pay about half our income in taxes plus support charitable organizations.  We have family members we also help. I don't mind helping others, what I do mind is the government taking my money and wasting it.

     ===========================================

     

    67 RedSox.....

    Sorry if you can't link on as they may not be highlighted but copy & paste into Google. You will be horrified what our tax dollars and additional printing of money is spent on by many welfare recipients with ATM cards !!! Is this not wasting it ???

     

    YouTube – AFP’s “Common Sense”: Around the World on $69 Million in Welfare Funds « 

     


    http://www.youtube.com/embed/_wElqMl5TJM?rel=0

    http://demclowns.com/?p=1118


     

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

    In response to 67redsox's comment:

     

    In response to nhsteven's comment:

     

    In response to 67redsox's comment:

     

    In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:

     

    I am confused.  If Obama is a Marxist because of his health care reform policy and his tax policy, what does that make Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon?

     




    What's your point?  Obama wants to distribute the wealth, level the playing field.  I never heard reagan or nixon talk that way.  Go on youtube and listen to obama talk about one world governance and how one country shouldn't be above another.

     

    Obama went around the world to apologize and bow down to other leaders.  I can't in my wildest dreams picture reagan doing that.

    Obama feels that people should be only so wealthy, there should be a limit.  Obama is a very rich man, I guess it's ok for him but not for others.

    There is a large increase of people using the government to pay for there needs.  More people on food stamps now than in any other time in our country.  If obama is doing such a great job fixing the economy why so many on the government dole.

    I'll tell you why. Obama wants people to depend on government handouts because those same people keep him in office. Almost 50% of our country doesn't pay income tax.  I sure would vote for a man who didn't ask a dime from me but gives me loads of other peoples money. My money.

    If this isn't socialism in the making then what it.  Reagan was so far from this it's not even funny.  Our country was far better off under reagan.

    You all are having a great time putting down christians and republians right now.  But when the whole country looks like greece or california you won't be laughing.

    Maybe some of you feel it's not your problem because you are older, what about your children and grandchildren.  Obama has added more debt than all the presidents up to w combined with no end in sight. Trillions after trillion of dollors on your children's shoulders. For all of you to take this so lightly is a disgrace.  Don't you care what will happen to your children and grandchildren.  Arn't you worried that this massive outlandish debt is going to destroy their country.

    No, you think this is all so funny, poor old republicans, pathetic christians, while your progressives are piling on massive debts for our kids.  Keep up with your social programs, give people free stuff cradle to grave.  You will not be happy with the results.  If you're not alive to see the results of your folly your children and grandchildren will be.  Shame on all of you.

     



    There is some truth to what you say. But, sorry, much of it is disjointed and misinformational. Also, Obama's policies so far appears to be the lesser of 2 bad approaches. Don't you remember what happened in 2008? I assume you are aware this is why Obama won.  Do you realize most economists applauded his stimulus approach to confront a dire situation, thanks largely to the preceding Commander iN CHIEF? And, do you have a LINK showing that 50% (Children excepted) DON"T pay income taxes? How about some of the UBER companies & individuals who don't pay any or very little, and the increase in those during W? And did you check the #s regarding deficits vs administrations? 

    As stated before, I believe you're entitled to your opinions. However, you are now showing NO respect for other opinions. As a result, why should anyone respect yours? 

     



    Obama's policies has record number of people on food stamps and the job rate is still bad.  Lots of money is being poured into our economy, printed by the feds, so of course thing look rosie.  They are not.

     

    My information is not disjointed or misinformational.  Simply because you are not already aware of the information I have presented does not mean it's misinformation.

    Obama won for alot of reasons.  Some people just wanted to vote for the first black president, some people didn't want to vote for another republican.  Some of those people have regreted  voting for obama. 

    I am not here to defend bush, he is on his ranch having a good old time for himself.  Obama is in the oval office so I think people need to stop using bush as a crutch.

    Obama said he would cut the defficit in half, he has added trillions and trillions.  He said he would have the most transparent presidency, well look at how he got obamacare passed, look at bengahzi.  The man is anything but transparent.

    Obama said there would be no more red or blue states just the united states.  He has been one of the most divisive presidents to hold office.  I am not here to defend bush, the man has retired.  You can say most economist applaud him, were is your link.  I'm sure that there are many economists who say he is doing a terrible job.

    I believe any president would look good if they had the advantage of having money printed and poured into the economy.  That is not something to feel good about.

    I did not mean to offend you or anyone else.  I just can't wrap my head around the fact that my generation is destroying our childrens future with this mountain of debt and no one seems to care.

    I look at my baby granddaughter and wonder what her future will be. At the end of obama's presidency we will be 20 trillion in debt, 20 trillion, my goodness.  I hope all those young ladies find free birth control to be worth it.

    I'm heading out but I will find the link for you.

     



    I can't figure out what's more ridiculous; your responses to me or your comparison to pre-WWII Germany.

     

    And yes, you had opinion flavored misinformation to the gills, starting with your wild claims on what Obama has done. And it's not a crutch to mention Bush if Obama had to attempt to clean up his mess via stimulating the economy, adding to the deficit. And where is the inflation in association with the "printed money"? Did you know the Fed this week decided to keep interest rates low because "Inflation is currrently in check"? Should I believe you over the Fed? 

    And please, don't provide another link from a wacko site.  Let's just conclude we don't agree. Have respect for my opinion, like I do for yours, which, I actually agree with to a certain degree; that neither school of thought shall work that well in the long run.

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

    All of which has what  to  do with Jason Collins being gay?

     

     
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    In response to LloydDobler's comment:

    All of which has what  to  do with Jason Collins being gay?

     




    LOL, I was thinking the same thing!

     
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    In response to 67redsox's comment:

    In response to nhsteven's comment:

     

    In response to 67redsox's comment:

     

    In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:

     

    I am confused.  If Obama is a Marxist because of his health care reform policy and his tax policy, what does that make Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon?

     




    What's your point?  Obama wants to distribute the wealth, level the playing field.  I never heard reagan or nixon talk that way.  Go on youtube and listen to obama talk about one world governance and how one country shouldn't be above another.

     

    Obama went around the world to apologize and bow down to other leaders.  I can't in my wildest dreams picture reagan doing that.

    Obama feels that people should be only so wealthy, there should be a limit.  Obama is a very rich man, I guess it's ok for him but not for others.

    There is a large increase of people using the government to pay for there needs.  More people on food stamps now than in any other time in our country.  If obama is doing such a great job fixing the economy why so many on the government dole.

    I'll tell you why. Obama wants people to depend on government handouts because those same people keep him in office. Almost 50% of our country doesn't pay income tax.  I sure would vote for a man who didn't ask a dime from me but gives me loads of other peoples money. My money.

    If this isn't socialism in the making then what it.  Reagan was so far from this it's not even funny.  Our country was far better off under reagan.

    You all are having a great time putting down christians and republians right now.  But when the whole country looks like greece or california you won't be laughing.

    Maybe some of you feel it's not your problem because you are older, what about your children and grandchildren.  Obama has added more debt than all the presidents up to w combined with no end in sight. Trillions after trillion of dollors on your children's shoulders. For all of you to take this so lightly is a disgrace.  Don't you care what will happen to your children and grandchildren.  Arn't you worried that this massive outlandish debt is going to destroy their country.

    No, you think this is all so funny, poor old republicans, pathetic christians, while your progressives are piling on massive debts for our kids.  Keep up with your social programs, give people free stuff cradle to grave.  You will not be happy with the results.  If you're not alive to see the results of your folly your children and grandchildren will be.  Shame on all of you.

     



    There is some truth to what you say. But, sorry, much of it is disjointed and misinformational. Also, Obama's policies so far appears to be the lesser of 2 bad approaches. Don't you remember what happened in 2008? I assume you are aware this is why Obama won.  Do you realize most economists applauded his stimulus approach to confront a dire situation, thanks largely to the preceding Commander iN CHIEF? And, do you have a LINK showing that 50% (Children excepted) DON"T pay income taxes? How about some of the UBER companies & individuals who don't pay any or very little, and the increase in those during W? And did you check the #s regarding deficits vs administrations? 

    As stated before, I believe you're entitled to your opinions. However, you are now showing NO respect for other opinions. As a result, why should anyone respect yours? 

     



    Obama's policies has record number of people on food stamps and the job rate is still bad.  Lots of money is being poured into our economy, printed by the feds, so of course thing look rosie.  They are not.

     

    My information is not disjointed or misinformational.  Simply because you are not already aware of the information I have presented does not mean it's misinformation.

    Obama won for alot of reasons.  Some people just wanted to vote for the first black president, some people didn't want to vote for another republican.  Some of those people have regreted  voting for obama. 

    I am not here to defend bush, he is on his ranch having a good old time for himself.  Obama is in the oval office so I think people need to stop using bush as a crutch.

    Obama said he would cut the defficit in half, he has added trillions and trillions.  He said he would have the most transparent presidency, well look at how he got obamacare passed, look at bengahzi.  The man is anything but transparent.

    Obama said there would be no more red or blue states just the united states.  He has been one of the most divisive presidents to hold office.  I am not here to defend bush, the man has retired.  You can say most economist applaud him, were is your link.  I'm sure that there are many economists who say he is doing a terrible job.

    I believe any president would look good if they had the advantage of having money printed and poured into the economy.  That is not something to feel good about.

    I did not mean to offend you or anyone else.  I just can't wrap my head around the fact that my generation is destroying our childrens future with this mountain of debt and no one seems to care.

    I look at my baby granddaughter and wonder what her future will be. At the end of obama's presidency we will be 20 trillion in debt, 20 trillion, my goodness.  I hope all those young ladies find free birth control to be worth it.

    I'm heading out but I will find the link for you.



    The foodstamp number is a red herring for conservatives - of course more Americans are on food stamps during an economic recovery - we should want that; the alternative is mass hunger.  What they don't tell you is that food stamps were at a record high the day Obama took office as well, doubling during an economic boom under Bush - that is what should be alarming.

    You can't have an honest discussion without opening the debate to how we got here, and you can't discuss how we got here without attributing blame to Bush, or at least recognizing the severity of the inherited situation.  We are printing money because interest rates were at 0% when Obama took office - again, during a boom the federal funds rate ws at zero percent.  If you set a house on fire and take away the hose, you don't blame the fireman for not putting it out fast enough.

    What you can't wrap your head around is the notion that this debt does not belong to Obama.  The stimulus spending - yes, that's Obama.  Less than $1 trillion.  All the other debt accrued under this president was the result of an economy gone bust and ridiculous deficits driven up under the previous administration, under the false promise that tax cuts would make us all rich.   Tell your granddaughter you're sorry you voted for Bush.

     

     
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    Roll over Stiffy!  There's a new Stiffler in town.  Say hello to my little 67 mm

    These boys love talking anything Adam & Steve!

     

     
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    I am confused.  If Obama is a Marxist because of his health care reform policy and his tax policy, what does that make Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon?

     




    What's your point?  Obama wants to distribute the wealth, level the playing field.  I never heard reagan or nixon talk that way.  Go on youtube and listen to obama talk about one world governance and how one country shouldn't be above another.

     

    Obama went around the world to apologize and bow down to other leaders.  I can't in my wildest dreams picture reagan doing that.

    Obama feels that people should be only so wealthy, there should be a limit.  Obama is a very rich man, I guess it's ok for him but not for others.

    There is a large increase of people using the government to pay for there needs.  More people on food stamps now than in any other time in our country.  If obama is doing such a great job fixing the economy why so many on the government dole.

    I'll tell you why. Obama wants people to depend on government handouts because those same people keep him in office. Almost 50% of our country doesn't pay income tax.  I sure would vote for a man who didn't ask a dime from me but gives me loads of other peoples money. My money.

    If this isn't socialism in the making then what it.  Reagan was so far from this it's not even funny.  Our country was far better off under reagan.

    You all are having a great time putting down christians and republians right now.  But when the whole country looks like greece or california you won't be laughing.

    Maybe some of you feel it's not your problem because you are older, what about your children and grandchildren.  Obama has added more debt than all the presidents up to w combined with no end in sight. Trillions after trillion of dollors on your children's shoulders. For all of you to take this so lightly is a disgrace.  Don't you care what will happen to your children and grandchildren.  Arn't you worried that this massive outlandish debt is going to destroy their country.

    No, you think this is all so funny, poor old republicans, pathetic christians, while your progressives are piling on massive debts for our kids.  Keep up with your social programs, give people free stuff cradle to grave.  You will not be happy with the results.  If you're not alive to see the results of your folly your children and grandchildren will be.  Shame on all of you.

     



    There is some truth to what you say. But, sorry, much of it is disjointed and misinformational. Also, Obama's policies so far appears to be the lesser of 2 bad approaches. Don't you remember what happened in 2008? I assume you are aware this is why Obama won.  Do you realize most economists applauded his stimulus approach to confront a dire situation, thanks largely to the preceding Commander iN CHIEF? And, do you have a LINK showing that 50% (Children excepted) DON"T pay income taxes? How about some of the UBER companies & individuals who don't pay any or very little, and the increase in those during W? And did you check the #s regarding deficits vs administrations? 

    As stated before, I believe you're entitled to your opinions. However, you are now showing NO respect for other opinions. As a result, why should anyone respect yours? 

     



    Obama's policies has record number of people on food stamps and the job rate is still bad.  Lots of money is being poured into our economy, printed by the feds, so of course thing look rosie.  They are not.

     

    My information is not disjointed or misinformational.  Simply because you are not already aware of the information I have presented does not mean it's misinformation.

    Obama won for alot of reasons.  Some people just wanted to vote for the first black president, some people didn't want to vote for another republican.  Some of those people have regreted  voting for obama. 

    I am not here to defend bush, he is on his ranch having a good old time for himself.  Obama is in the oval office so I think people need to stop using bush as a crutch.

    Obama said he would cut the defficit in half, he has added trillions and trillions.  He said he would have the most transparent presidency, well look at how he got obamacare passed, look at bengahzi.  The man is anything but transparent.

    Obama said there would be no more red or blue states just the united states.  He has been one of the most divisive presidents to hold office.  I am not here to defend bush, the man has retired.  You can say most economist applaud him, were is your link.  I'm sure that there are many economists who say he is doing a terrible job.

    I believe any president would look good if they had the advantage of having money printed and poured into the economy.  That is not something to feel good about.

    I did not mean to offend you or anyone else.  I just can't wrap my head around the fact that my generation is destroying our childrens future with this mountain of debt and no one seems to care.

    I look at my baby granddaughter and wonder what her future will be. At the end of obama's presidency we will be 20 trillion in debt, 20 trillion, my goodness.  I hope all those young ladies find free birth control to be worth it.

    I'm heading out but I will find the link for you.

     



    I can't figure out what's more ridiculous; your responses to me or your comparison to pre-WWII Germany.

     

    And yes, you had opinion flavored misinformation to the gills, starting with your wild claims on what Obama has done. And it's not a crutch to mention Bush if Obama had to attempt to clean up his mess via stimulating the economy, adding to the deficit. And where is the inflation in association with the "printed money"? Did you know the Fed this week decided to keep interest rates low because "Inflation is currrently in check"? Should I believe you over the Fed? 

    And please, don't provide another link from a wacko site.  Let's just conclude we don't agree. Have respect for my opinion, like I do for yours, which, I actually agree with to a certain degree; that neither school of thought shall work that well in the long run.




    The reason inflation is currently in check is because of the federal reserve which has nothing to do with obama.  Many people give the federal reserve credit for saving the economy.  The reason the federal reserve is seperate from the white house is because having politicians in charge of money is a disaster.

    If the federal reserve pulls the money out of the economy at the right time there will be no inflation but if they don't then there could be substantial inflation.

    I don't believe the federal reserve has ever pumped this much money into the economy so it is yet to be seen if this will work. I guess if things go south obama has someone to blame

    The monetary stimulus by the federal reserve was more effective than obama's fiscal stimulus.

    It is safe to say that the federal reserve would have saved the economny no matter who was in the oval office, even bush.  Obama had nothing to do with it.  Over all obama has hurt the economy because we didn't need the fiscal stimulus, there were no shovel ready projects. Now we owe all that money.

    My information is correct, you of course disagree.  If you had the courage to do your home work you would find out I know a whole lot more than you give me credit for.

     
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    I am confused.  If Obama is a Marxist because of his health care reform policy and his tax policy, what does that make Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon?

     




    What's your point?  Obama wants to distribute the wealth, level the playing field.  I never heard reagan or nixon talk that way.  Go on youtube and listen to obama talk about one world governance and how one country shouldn't be above another.

     

    Obama went around the world to apologize and bow down to other leaders.  I can't in my wildest dreams picture reagan doing that.

    Obama feels that people should be only so wealthy, there should be a limit.  Obama is a very rich man, I guess it's ok for him but not for others.

    There is a large increase of people using the government to pay for there needs.  More people on food stamps now than in any other time in our country.  If obama is doing such a great job fixing the economy why so many on the government dole.

    I'll tell you why. Obama wants people to depend on government handouts because those same people keep him in office. Almost 50% of our country doesn't pay income tax.  I sure would vote for a man who didn't ask a dime from me but gives me loads of other peoples money. My money.

    If this isn't socialism in the making then what it.  Reagan was so far from this it's not even funny.  Our country was far better off under reagan.

    You all are having a great time putting down christians and republians right now.  But when the whole country looks like greece or california you won't be laughing.

    Maybe some of you feel it's not your problem because you are older, what about your children and grandchildren.  Obama has added more debt than all the presidents up to w combined with no end in sight. Trillions after trillion of dollors on your children's shoulders. For all of you to take this so lightly is a disgrace.  Don't you care what will happen to your children and grandchildren.  Arn't you worried that this massive outlandish debt is going to destroy their country.

    No, you think this is all so funny, poor old republicans, pathetic christians, while your progressives are piling on massive debts for our kids.  Keep up with your social programs, give people free stuff cradle to grave.  You will not be happy with the results.  If you're not alive to see the results of your folly your children and grandchildren will be.  Shame on all of you.

     



    There is some truth to what you say. But, sorry, much of it is disjointed and misinformational. Also, Obama's policies so far appears to be the lesser of 2 bad approaches. Don't you remember what happened in 2008? I assume you are aware this is why Obama won.  Do you realize most economists applauded his stimulus approach to confront a dire situation, thanks largely to the preceding Commander iN CHIEF? And, do you have a LINK showing that 50% (Children excepted) DON"T pay income taxes? How about some of the UBER companies & individuals who don't pay any or very little, and the increase in those during W? And did you check the #s regarding deficits vs administrations? 

    As stated before, I believe you're entitled to your opinions. However, you are now showing NO respect for other opinions. As a result, why should anyone respect yours? 

     



    Obama's policies has record number of people on food stamps and the job rate is still bad.  Lots of money is being poured into our economy, printed by the feds, so of course thing look rosie.  They are not.

     

    My information is not disjointed or misinformational.  Simply because you are not already aware of the information I have presented does not mean it's misinformation.

    Obama won for alot of reasons.  Some people just wanted to vote for the first black president, some people didn't want to vote for another republican.  Some of those people have regreted  voting for obama. 

    I am not here to defend bush, he is on his ranch having a good old time for himself.  Obama is in the oval office so I think people need to stop using bush as a crutch.

    Obama said he would cut the defficit in half, he has added trillions and trillions.  He said he would have the most transparent presidency, well look at how he got obamacare passed, look at bengahzi.  The man is anything but transparent.

    Obama said there would be no more red or blue states just the united states.  He has been one of the most divisive presidents to hold office.  I am not here to defend bush, the man has retired.  You can say most economist applaud him, were is your link.  I'm sure that there are many economists who say he is doing a terrible job.

    I believe any president would look good if they had the advantage of having money printed and poured into the economy.  That is not something to feel good about.

    I did not mean to offend you or anyone else.  I just can't wrap my head around the fact that my generation is destroying our childrens future with this mountain of debt and no one seems to care.

    I look at my baby granddaughter and wonder what her future will be. At the end of obama's presidency we will be 20 trillion in debt, 20 trillion, my goodness.  I hope all those young ladies find free birth control to be worth it.

    I'm heading out but I will find the link for you.

     



    The foodstamp number is a red herring for conservatives - of course more Americans are on food stamps during an economic recovery - we should want that; the alternative is mass hunger.  What they don't tell you is that food stamps were at a record high the day Obama took office as well, doubling during an economic boom under Bush - that is what should be alarming.

     

    You can't have an honest discussion without opening the debate to how we got here, and you can't discuss how we got here without attributing blame to Bush, or at least recognizing the severity of the inherited situation.  We are printing money because interest rates were at 0% when Obama took office - again, during a boom the federal funds rate ws at zero percent.  If you set a house on fire and take away the hose, you don't blame the fireman for not putting it out fast enough.

    What you can't wrap your head around is the notion that this debt does not belong to Obama.  The stimulus spending - yes, that's Obama.  Less than $1 trillion.  All the other debt accrued under this president was the result of an economy gone bust and ridiculous deficits driven up under the previous administration, under the false promise that tax cuts would make us all rich.   Tell your granddaughter you're sorry you voted for Bush.

     

     




    He had four years to bring down unemployment.  If we had the same level of work force participation as in 08 the real unemployment rate would be 11%  People have stopped looking for work because big brother is taking care of them for years in the guise of unemployment.  There is less incentive to work.  Studies show that once unemployment runs out people find jobs.

     

    Stop blaming bush, obama has been on office for five years, for the first two years he had control of the house and the senate. He could have accomplished a lot of good for our country.

    Instead of using that time to improve the economy he wasted his time on obama care.  Obama care is a massive tax hike, just wait until 2014.  Obamacare is causing massive health care inflation, our rate in the last two years went up by 60% because someone has to pay for obamacare.

    Things went bad for bush in the end because of fanny mae and freddy mac.  Barny Frank was a proponant of encouraging fanny and freddy to loan more to low income people.  He wanted to gaurantee the loans of people who had bad credit.  When the government gaurantees the loans no one cares about the quality of the loans because the government stands behind it.

    This was in no way bushes fault. He tried to tighten the loans given out by fanny and freddy but the democratic congress stopped him.

    The root cause of the crash was bad loans which were guaranteed by fanny and freddy.  These loans were encourage by barny frank.

    Life was pretty good under bush until the housing crash about a year before the election. 

    So I will not apologize for voting for bush, he did not cause the crash.  If any one is to blame it's fanny, freddy and barney.

    Bush had to deal with 911 and did an amazing job.  After 911 we were safe.  Under obama we have bengahzi and boston.  I'll take bush any day.

     
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    Re: Jason Collins

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    I regret entering this thread again but....

    People are gay, that is a fact. That isn't going to change. Call it natural or un-natural what does it matter? If they want to be married then whatever, straight people have used and abused marriages to the point where it has been rendered laughable and has become a way to make money (see divorce).

    Move on.....


    I have been married for 32 years.  There is nothing laughable about that ;0)

     
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    There is also the concentration of wealth issue

    The distribution of wealth issue isn't the result of monopoly corporations and robber barrons. It's the result of the rise of collectivism in central government and the ease of joining other Wards of the State, as opposed to getting fleeced by income and entititlement taxes and having to work constantly just to live at a standard of living that is much less than it was when this Nation had the largest middle class in World history.

     



    Disagree; over the last 3 decades, check the Minimum Wage rise, CEO & Senior Mgmt portfolios vs the average worker in a corporation, & Wall Street

     

     



    We pay about half our income in taxes plus support charitable organizations.  We have family members we also help. I don't mind helping others, what I do mind is the government taking my money and wasting it.

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    67 RedSox.....

    Sorry if you can't link on as they may not be highlighted but copy & paste into Google. You will be horrified what our tax dollars and additional printing of money is spent on by many welfare recipients with ATM cards !!! Is this not wasting it ???

     

    YouTube – AFP’s “Common Sense”: Around the World on $69 Million in Welfare Funds « 

     


    http://www.youtube.com/embed/_wElqMl5TJM?rel=0

    http://demclowns.com/?p=1118


     



    Thanks for the links, I'll look into it.  I don't know if you have been following the bengahzi issue but it is just wrong.  To leave our men behind makes me sick.

     
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    There is also the concentration of wealth issue

    The distribution of wealth issue isn't the result of monopoly corporations and robber barrons. It's the result of the rise of collectivism in central government and the ease of joining other Wards of the State, as opposed to getting fleeced by income and entititlement taxes and having to work constantly just to live at a standard of living that is much less than it was when this Nation had the largest middle class in World history.

     



    Disagree; over the last 3 decades, check the Minimum Wage rise, CEO & Senior Mgmt portfolios vs the average worker in a corporation, & Wall Street

     

     



    We pay about half our income in taxes plus support charitable organizations.  We have family members we also help. I don't mind helping others, what I do mind is the government taking my money and wasting it.

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    67 RedSox.....

    Sorry if you can't link on as they may not be highlighted but copy & paste into Google. You will be horrified what our tax dollars and additional printing of money is spent on by many welfare recipients with ATM cards !!! Is this not wasting it ???

     

    YouTube – AFP’s “Common Sense”: Around the World on $69 Million in Welfare Funds « 

     


    http://www.youtube.com/embed/_wElqMl5TJM?rel=0

    http://demclowns.com/?p=1118


     

     



    Thanks for the links, I'll look into it.  I don't know if you have been following the bengahzi issue but it is just wrong.  To leave our men behind makes me sick.

     

     




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    As I've lived in Cal past 45 years I'm a local fan too so watching the Warriors-Denver game ( also love the 49ers & hate the NY Giants & Balt Ravens as do the Patriots). Sure wish the Cs had Curry & David Lee(reminds me of Dave Cowens). Am on my iPAD in front of the TV. The Bengahzi issue had been put under the carpet by not only Obama & his liberal cohorts but by the liberal biased media. I am a former Marine.  We had air support ready in minutes but the drones said they couldn't identify the civilians. The civilains were watching the massacre as if it were an entertainment event and I say bomb the hell out of them as a Casualty of War ! Our amabassador called for help and  very brave Navy seals disobeyed orders and stayed on and fought. A Naval Commander and and army General in Italy(sorry I don't have time to look up names & details) wanted to offer assistance but were told to step down & were later released.  And the Libyans military at our gate, remember we helped liberate Libya, were overcome or stepped aside. We have helped Egypt & now because Assad is accused of using chemical weapons, we may get invoved. He's not threat to us. An overthrow will create another country with a Muslim brotherhood community of Al Qaeda and Taliban.

    It's only 8:30 in Cal...Signing off for Basketball...Happy Red Sox won !!!

     
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    As I've lived in Cal past 45 years I'm a local fan too so watching the Warriors-Denver game ( also love the 49ers & hate the NY Giants & Balt Ravens as do the Patriots). Sure wish the Cs had Curry & David Lee(reminds me of Dave Cowens). Am on my iPAD in front of the TV. The Bengahzi issue had been put under the carpet by not only Obama & his liberal cohorts but by the liberal biased media. I am a former Marine.  We had air support ready in minutes but the drones said they couldn't identify the civilians. The civilains were watching the massacre as if it were an entertainment event and I say bomb the hell out of them as a Casualty of War ! Our amabassador called for help. @ very brave Navy seals disobeyed orders and stayed on and fought. A Naval Commander and and army General in Italy(soory I don't have time to look up names & details wanted to offer assistance but were told to step down & were later released.  And the Libyans militay at our gate, remember we helped liberate Libya, were overcome or stepped aside. We have helped Egypt & now because Assad is accused of using chemical weapons, we may get invoved. He's not threat ot us. An overthrow will create another country with a Muslim brotherhood community of Al Qaeda and Taliban.

    It's only 8:30 in Cal...Signing off for Basketball...Happy Red Sox won !!!



    Go Warriors!!! I love Curry ...  I went to college with his father (and mother, though I barely knew her) and actually first met Steph when he was a baby. What a player he has become.  Would love to see him in Boston.

     

     
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    There is also the concentration of wealth issue

    The distribution of wealth issue isn't the result of monopoly corporations and robber barrons. It's the result of the rise of collectivism in central government and the ease of joining other Wards of the State, as opposed to getting fleeced by income and entititlement taxes and having to work constantly just to live at a standard of living that is much less than it was when this Nation had the largest middle class in World history.

     



    Disagree; over the last 3 decades, check the Minimum Wage rise, CEO & Senior Mgmt portfolios vs the average worker in a corporation, & Wall Street

     

     



    We pay about half our income in taxes plus support charitable organizations.  We have family members we also help. I don't mind helping others, what I do mind is the government taking my money and wasting it.

     ===========================================

     

    67 RedSox.....

    Sorry if you can't link on as they may not be highlighted but copy & paste into Google. You will be horrified what our tax dollars and additional printing of money is spent on by many welfare recipients with ATM cards !!! Is this not wasting it ???

     

    YouTube – AFP’s “Common Sense”: Around the World on $69 Million in Welfare Funds « 

     


    http://www.youtube.com/embed/_wElqMl5TJM?rel=0

    http://demclowns.com/?p=1118


     

     



    Thanks for the links, I'll look into it.  I don't know if you have been following the bengahzi issue but it is just wrong.  To leave our men behind makes me sick.

     

     




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    As I've lived in Cal past 45 years I'm a local fan too so watching the Warriors-Denver game ( also love the 49ers & hate the NY Giants & Balt Ravens as do the Patriots). Sure wish the Cs had Curry & David Lee(reminds me of Dave Cowens). Am on my iPAD in front of the TV. The Bengahzi issue had been put under the carpet by not only Obama & his liberal cohorts but by the liberal biased media. I am a former Marine.  We had air support ready in minutes but the drones said they couldn't identify the civilians. The civilains were watching the massacre as if it were an entertainment event and I say bomb the hell out of them as a Casualty of War ! Our amabassador called for help and  very brave Navy seals disobeyed orders and stayed on and fought. A Naval Commander and and army General in Italy(sorry I don't have time to look up names & details wanted to offer assistance but were told to step down & were later released.  And the Libyans militay at our gate, remember we helped liberate Libya, were overcome or stepped aside. We have helped Egypt & now because Assad is accused of using chemical weapons, we may get invoved. He's not threat ot us. An overthrow will create another country with a Muslim brotherhood community of Al Qaeda and Taliban.

    It's only 8:30 in Cal...Signing off for Basketball...Happy Red Sox won !!!




    The night of the attack obama went to sleep and didn't give the order to cross the boarder to protect our men.  He had to go to las vegas the next day for a fund raiser.  The progressive press covered this up.  An attack on american soil, americans left to die and the president of the united states goes to sleep.  Progressive press says nothing. Unbelievable.

     
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    This is pure economic fantasy. Inflation has not been a problem.

    You obviously are such a mental midget you haven't been buying groceries and gas. Perhaps your husband is buying the groceries and you are driving on "green energy".

    As long Oil and the Chinese currency are tied to dollar the dollar is king.

    You are mental midget. The point is that the dollar is already in the process of being dropped as a reserve currency for trade, with the Chinese already entering into trade contracts that have dropped the dollar as the value unti for the trade contracts. The IMF is already making loans and using a value amalgamation that is not the dollar.  

    Printing money and the fed buying it's own paper under the silly nonsense of "quativative easing" has created massive inflation despite the fed maipulating the interest rate and printing money to pay the debt service. Capital is not going to be sitting around for a zero return, and this policy will not stop the end of the dollar as the reserve currency it has been. History shows what happens, see Great Britain in the last century, when the central monetary policy is to keep increasing debt levels and printing money to sustain the debt levels and service the debt. The dollar will in fact be devalued because the federal government will default if it doesn't do so because the source of the credit line will force the hand of a Nation that has a policy of debt and consumption and is not producing enough to sustain it.

    The financial disaster that is obvious and built into the federal balance sheet will result in a collapse that is coming during most of our lives and will make the depression impact look like like a short recession.

    GM, Greece, Stockton, CA, Citigroup, AIG, Lehman, Freddie and Fannie, nearly all people are stunned, after the fact. People never believe "it could happen", so they believe their entitlements will keep coming and the federal governemnt can't go bankrupt because they can just keep printing money and borrowing money. Ireland, Spain are just a couple of other "too big to fail" cases that are de facto unstable financially.

    Go ahead and keep believing that the federal government is "too big to fail". And remember, no one in politics or the media warned the people that Roosevelt would order the banks closed and people would lose their entire financial savings.

    Go ahead and keep believing that our brilliant progressive politicans have fixed that problem and there is the FDIC and programs in place to keep this from ever happening again.

    The expansion of the federal government misusing the commerce clause is a monster that will collapse without any foreign military attack. 

    There is no way anyone coming out of the two political party primaries will change the current policy of entitlement expansion and printing money to reduce the rate of expansion of the debt levels in the aggregate and as percentage of GDP. And the reason for that is that the People only understand when the body politic defaults on the entitlements, which they absolutely will before most people in the "don't trust anyone over 30" generation have mortally expired.

    Nearly every American household is receiving federal entitlements, and not one of those households will do anything but vote against anyone who says anything but that "your money is going to keep coming so you don't go hungry and/or homeless".

    The only question is what will emerge after the collapse, as to the body politic. History gives the answer to theat question.      

     

     

     

    Your economic knowledge is extremely limited, you don't even know enough to pretend to be an Austrian.




    Unfortunatly you are correct.  Progressives think that money comes out of thin air so they can spend and spend.  Socialism never works but progressives keep trying.  My only consolation and it really is no consolation at all is that we are all in the same boat.  When it starts to sink progressives will go down with those of us who saw it coming.

    You are right in saying that people vote for progressives because of all the 'free' things they receive.  Nothing is free, there is a price to be paid in the end.  Greece, spain, ireland, etc. are learning that lesson the hard way.

    One would think that americans would look at these countries and wake up but no, they are addicted to free handouts.  Marx said religion is the opiat of the masses, I say it's welfare and social programs.  Once you start down the road of living on the government dole it's hard to turn back, it becomes a generational thing.

    It isn't difficult to find out the truth with all the information we have at our finger tips.  I believe those on this thread and other progressives don't want to know the truth.  It's easier to believe the government can continue to spend trillions of dollars they don't have and all will be well.

    When was the last time we had a budget.  The dems in the senate can't seem to pass one even though it's the law that they must. 

    I give you a lot of credit for trying to keep people informed.  Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear...

     
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