Jed Lowrie - who knew?

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    Talk about goalpost moving...

     
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    "another butcher SS who has a borken wheel and has the constitution of a pretzel."

    No one is better at making millionaires who have way more success in their chosen profession than you do in yours sound like society's discards. It's a rare and delusional gift.

     
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    In response to BostonProSportsLover's comment:

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    3 HR's, 4 doubles, BA of .500 and playing good D at SS for Oakland through seven games.  I'm glad to see him doing well.  I thought he got ripped way too much by some posters here during his time with the Sox.

     




    he was always good, just about health.. once healthy, he always dekivered and played ok d...

     



    softy thinks he's the only guy who knows Jed has been fragile to say the least. However, to say Jed has "no pop" was just plain a falsehood. He won't admit it, and somehow claiming what we all know, that Jed never plays more than about a half season at best, is just a distraction and a seperate issue that we all agree on.

    No matter how you define "pop", Jed has some. If you compare him to the average MLB SS, he's near the top... of course, only when he plays.

     
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    In response to BurritoT-'s comment:

    I am more interested in Napolis amazing Fenway career stats.... now that is one big sample size.



    You mean all 80 PAs?

    7 HRs

    1.064 OPS

     
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    Surprise, Lowrie had problems at SS, tonight. But, hey, can't blame the A's for paying Lowrie a bottom rate and not paying 10 million dollars for another butcher SS who has a borken wheel and has the constitution of a pretzel.

     




    Heck of a play Drew made going in the hole to his right to get that ball and make a great throw to 2nd for the out. Saved a run I think...Yeah, hes a butcher with a bad wheel. More drivel

     

     
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    the guys body is made of glass. he'll miss half the season. 

     
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    Crisp, Moss, Reddick, and Lowrie are all doing well for the A's.  I wish them the very best (except when they play the Red Sox).  

     

     
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    OPS+ adjusts and measures Jed's OPS.  His OPS+ is 101.  That is about as average as average gets.

    So we have an average hitting SS who cant play the position or stay healthy.

    He was traded for Melancon , who was in turn traded for Hanrahan (the included prospects were throw ins).

    Sox (indirectly) got Hanrahan for Lowrie.   Lowrie (a utility IF really) for a proven closer who is pitching well?  We actually made out pretty well.

     



    What's the average OPS+ for a MLB SS, drew?

     



    Who cares.  If he was a good fielding SS who had league average hitting, that would be onte thing.  But he's not.  Therefore he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt for being a SS.

    A good analogy would be Blake Wheeler on the Bruins.  Everyone said Blake Wheeler is a good skater for a big man.  Sure Blake was 6'5" , but he played like he was 5'8".  Therefore he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt for being big.

    Lowrie @ SS hurts you at D.  Therefore, he doesnt get the benefit of the doubt for being a SS.

    He's a good utlity infielder, nothing more, nothing less.  Not anything to fret about.  He goes into that category of "overrated by the fans, and not as much as a loss as fans seem to think."

    Other people in this category: Justin Masterson, Josh Reddick.

     
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    If you are going to fret about losing anyone, fret over losing Beltre for goodness sake.  The .300+ hitting, 30 HR, GG 3B that we let walk.  Fret over losing Cocoa.  Fret over losing DLowe (had some good years after he left).  Dont fret over losing Lowrie.  Hes a UIF.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

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    3 HR's, 4 doubles, BA of .500 and playing good D at SS for Oakland through seven games.  I'm glad to see him doing well.  I thought he got ripped way too much by some posters here during his time with the Sox.

     




    he was always good, just about health.. once healthy, he always dekivered and played ok d...

     

     



    softy thinks he's the only guy who knows Jed has been fragile to say the least. However, to say Jed has "no pop" was just plain a falsehood. He won't admit it, and somehow claiming what we all know, that Jed never plays more than about a half season at best, is just a distraction and a seperate issue that we all agree on.

     

    No matter how you define "pop", Jed has some. If you compare him to the average MLB SS, he's near the top... of course, only when he plays.



    We shouldnt look for pop from SS.  Jed did not have the quickness needed to be a good SS. He did not have the arm to be a 3B.  While he had pop for a SS, he has about average pop for a 3B.

    Here are your options:

    Weak defensive SS, but with good pop for a SS

    Weak armed 3B, but wiht average pop for a 3B.

    A 1B with below average pop for a 1B.

    He was what he was.  A good UIF who was extremely overrated by the fans.

    4/5 people who regret losing Lowrie also regret losing Masterson.

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    No, I didn't. I did say they should have traded him sooner and got more, but I made it clear they needed to put him the dumpster. They did make out like a bandit, in more ways than one.



    Another player you wanted to put in the dumpster who just happened to go on and have great results. Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong again. I sense a trend here!

     
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    Lowrie is really a 2nd baseman. Always has been. The Orioles look like they could use him! 

    It is nice that he can fill in at other slots though. That kind of roster flexibility is a big reason to have a guy like him around.

     
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    In response to Drewski5's comment:
      Dont fret over losing Lowrie.  Hes a UIF.

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    Drewski you are right about the arm, and he has been very streaky.  Some of that streakiness could be down to injury.  In 2008 and 2009, he played with a wrist fracture that was misdiagnosed and he struggled as a LHH (he has thrived as a LHH lately).

    In 2011, his OPS was .803 around the day Crawford ran into him.  Hi OPS for June  was .353, Aug .655, and Sep .562.

    Despite this his career OPS is .760.  The 2012 average OPS  for 2B was .699 and SS was .685.

    Only 5, 2B and SS have outhit him since the Sox traded him to call him a UIF is absurd.

    2012 plus 2013  wRC+  OPS:

    Cano       150      .934

    Zobrist      138       .854

    Hill          132        .885

    Desmond   130      .854

    Tulo   126        .886

    Lowrie  123      .817

    Utley   120       .817 

    Jeter  117       .791

    Reyes   112

    A Cabrera  110

    Hanley  107  

    Kinsler   101    .758

     

     
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    In response to tom-uk's comment:

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      Dont fret over losing Lowrie.  Hes a UIF.

    Drewski you are right about the arm, and he has been very streaky.  Some of that streakiness could be down to injury.  In 2008 and 2009, he played with a wrist fracture that was misdiagnosed and he struggled as a LHH (he has thrived as a LHH lately).

    In 2011, his OPS was .803 around the day Crawford ran into him.  Hi OPS for June  was .353, Aug .655, and Sep .562.

    Despite this his career OPS is .760.  The 2012 average OPS  for 2B was .699 and SS was .685.

    Only 5, 2B and SS have outhit him since the Sox traded him to call him a UIF is absurd.

    2012 plus 2013  wRC+  OPS:

    Cano       150      .934

    Zobrist      138       .854

    Hill          132        .885

    Desmond   130      .854

    Tulo   126        .886

    Lowrie  123      .817

    Utley   120       .817 

    Jeter  117       .791

    Reyes   112

    A Cabrera  110

    Hanley  107  

    Kinsler   101    .758

     

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    You are using power to measure positions where power shouldnt be important.  He's fifth among MI in pop because , guys power guys (w very few exceptions), arent middle infielders.

    I could put Youk at 2B, that doesnt make him an awesome secondbaseman because he has more pop than most others.

    Lowrie was miscasted as a SS, didnt have the arm to play third.  Maybe he can be a decent second baseman, but second base here, has always been blocked.

    Maybe calling him a UIF is a bit overboard; however, better guys have came through here.  Lowrie was very overrated by the fans.  Why?  Because he was the guy taking Julio Lugo's job and everyone hated Julio Lugo.

    There are some guys who Boston fans overrate.  Lowrie is second on the recent memory list (Masterson is the clear cut #1).

     
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    Tom, you know the way it goes.  Fans fall in love w/ youth.  If there is a veteran who nobody likes, and there is a guy coming up through the system...The fans will scream that we have to play the rookie and act like the season hinges in the balance.

    People loved Jed Lowrie because they hated Julio Lugo and therefore rooted for Lowrie to take his job.  

     
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    Tom, you know the way it goes.  Fans fall in love w/ youth.  If there is a veteran who nobody likes, and there is a guy coming up through the system...The fans will scream that we have to play the rookie and act like the season hinges in the balance.

    People loved Jed Lowrie because they hated Julio Lugo and therefore rooted for Lowrie to take his job.  



    If Lowrie's UIF, what does that make Derek Jeter?

     
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    Tom, you know the way it goes.  Fans fall in love w/ youth.  If there is a veteran who nobody likes, and there is a guy coming up through the system...The fans will scream that we have to play the rookie and act like the season hinges in the balance.

    People loved Jed Lowrie because they hated Julio Lugo and therefore rooted for Lowrie to take his job.  

     



    If Lowrie's UIF, what does that make Derek Jeter?

     



    Derek Jeter in 2013?  A washed up , overpaid, overrated, broken down old man

     
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    Tom, you know the way it goes.  Fans fall in love w/ youth.  If there is a veteran who nobody likes, and there is a guy coming up through the system...The fans will scream that we have to play the rookie and act like the season hinges in the balance.

    People loved Jed Lowrie because they hated Julio Lugo and therefore rooted for Lowrie to take his job.  

     



    If Lowrie's UIF, what does that make Derek Jeter?

     



    When Derek Jeter was in his prime, he was a below average defensive SS (and please dont recite his popularity contest winning GG's)

     
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