Jeter earns respect of Boston fans

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    Jeter earns respect of Boston fans

    by Dan Shaughnessy/SI.com

    So now we sit and wait for Derek Jeter's 3,000th hit. I pray he gets the milestone in timely fashion. No one wants the distraction that comes when a player sits on 2,999 for too many games. We had that with Carl Yastrzemski in Boston back in 1979. We were all doing time on the Yaz Watch and the inimitable Peter Pascarelli, then with the Baltimore News American, said, "This is like waiting for Franco to die.''

    After three days and an 0-13 slump, Yaz finally got No. 3,000 when Yankee second baseman Willie Randolph waved at a grounder headed for rightfield.

    Sox fans have a love-hate relationship with Jeter. As years pass and he becomes less of a threat and more of a legend, he'll get even better treatment from Boston fans. They appreciate a worthy adversary, especially once he stops killing their team.

    But still, Jeter is a Yankee and, in Boston, the Yankees (bleep).

    There will always be nasty T-shirts regarding Jeter when the Yankees come to Fenway.

    It all goes back to the late 1990s when Jeter and Nomar Garciaparra were young American League All-Star shortstops. It had a Joe DiMaggio-Ted Williams feel to it. Like DiMaggio, Jeter was winning all the championships and establishing himself as a quiet leader. Like Williams, Nomar was clearly the better offensive player. Nomar was a righty hitter who batted .357 and .372 in 1999 and 2000, respectively. He hit balls off the Green Monster. Defensively he could be a little erratic, but he was daring. Sox fans loved "No-maaah" and hated Jeter. "No-maaah" was better. No doubt about it.

    Everything changed on July 1, 2004.

    That was the night that Nomar -- hater of all things Boston by this time -- asked out of the Sox lineup for the final game of a big series with the Yankees. Nomar was in the last year of his contract, loathed the new Boston owners and wanted to get out of town. So he sat. He was sitting in the third base dugout when Jeter went after a foul pop and lunged headfirst into the stands, catching the ball, and emerging with a bloody chin. Still, Nomar sat. The Yankees won in 13 innings, the Sox traded Nomar a month later and are still looking for an everyday shortstop.

    While the Sox have auditioned Orlando Cabrera, Edgar Renteria, Alex Gonzalez, Julio Lugo, Jed Lowrie and Marco Scutaro, Jeter has stayed the course, Ripken-like, for the Yankees. Sox fans have transferred their hatred of Jeter to Alex Rodriguez.

    There will always be fans in Boston who will boo Jeter, but a lot of the smart ones tell their sons, "Watch Derek Jeter. You want to play like him and conduct yourself like him.''

    Jeter's comportment makes him unlike almost anyone who's ever been part of the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry. He was never jealous of Nomar, the way Thurman Munson was jealous of Carlton Fisk. He never bragged about himself like Reggie Jackson. He would never get into a fistfight at home plate with Jason Varitek. He left that role to A-Rod.

    For 16 seasons (and three memorable postseasons) Jeter's been coming to our town and there's never been a crumb of sandal or embarrassment. He's heard "Yankees (expletive)" and "Jeter (expletive)", quite a few times, but says it's gotten better over the years. Sox fans have mellowed toward their nemesis. Watching Jeter now is like watching Al Kaline coming into town with the Tigers in his finals days. Or Brooks Robinson with the Orioles. Boston fans don't hate the Tigers and Orioles the way they hate the Yankees, but they appreciate a classy, gracious ballplayer who has been trying to beat the Red Sox with dignity for more than a decade and a half.

    Jeter has played more games (regular season and playoffs) against the Red Sox than any other team. He's got 34 regular-season hits against Tim Wakefield and had 29 hits against Pedro Martinez back in the days when Pedro said, "The Yankees are my daddy.''

    Boston's shortstop of the future is 21 year old Jose Iglesais, a flossy-fielding Cuban who is playing at Triple-A Pawtucket this summer.

    They say the kid might not be ready to hit in the big leagues for another year or two. When Iglesais finally arrives at Fenway, Derek Jeter will still be the shortstop for the Yankees.

    Hope the kid watches Jeter and tries to play like him.


    Derek Jeter earned universial respect when he dived after a foul ball against the Red Sox in 2004 and emerged bloddy.
    Derek Jeter earned universial respect when he dived after a foul ball against the Red Sox in 2004 and emerged bloddy.



     
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       Jeter is the sport equivelant of the lucky 'sperm' factor when being born. The man has had a great run because of who has played with. He has remained healthy and that enabled him to play enough games to reach 3000 hits. I still say that Jeter was never the player to put the Yanks over the top, and if you traded his career with other SS of his era, the Yankees wouldn't have skipped a beat. If rings are the reason for his supposed greatness then he isn't even the greatest Yankee SS because Rizzuto had more rings in a shorter career.
     
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    Ted Williams always compared Nomar's hitting style to Joe D's. Ironically.

     
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    jeter was lucky to play in the largest media market in the history of the universe (ie the team is able to afford any free agent they want) and to play with countless and shameless cheaters.......the only question remaining with jeter is, will he mention jeffrey maher in his hall of fame speech?
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeter earns respect of Boston fans:
    [QUOTE]jeter was luckyto play in the largest media market in the history of the universe (ie the team is able to afford any free agent they want) and to play with countless and shameless cheaters.......the only question remaining with jeter is, will he mention jeffrey maher in his hall of fame speech?
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    Those other mercenaries were lucky to have played with him.  The Yankee fans were lucky too and most of them know it.

    Chicken and egg thing.  While they do have the largest media market, they don't sustain their solid position ahead of the Mets without players like Jeter as the foundation.  

    I'm every bit as much of a Red Sox fan too, but I at least try to acknowledge class and great baseball when I see it.     
     
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    Typical crank RS fans reaction to an incredible, classy player, and a 1st ballot HOFer; Shaughnessy, you are right.
     
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    I've always respected jeter.
     
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    Based on the sourpuss responses here, some have, and obviously some haven't. Some just can't stand giving a Yankee his due; they can't see beyond the uniform. They're not really baseball fans, just grumpaholics.
     
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    I still remember Jeter diving into the stands on the same day that Nomar sulked on the bench.  I may hate the Yankees, but Jeter, Mariano, and Posada get my respect for being the players that they are.
     
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    How many Jeter-worshipping threads do we really need here? OK, we got it, he's a great player and a class gentleman. 3,000 hits is an awesome achievement, yes, but do we need this endless stream of platitudes and glorification, when we know full well that no Yankee fan would waste half a breath extolling the attributes of any Red Sox? It always amazes me the one way street of compliment in this greatest of all rivalries. Red Sox fans here continually and happily praise the Yankees, despite the knowledge that no Yankee fan in his smug arrogance would ever return the compliment.

     
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    In Response to Re: Jeter earns respect of Boston fans:
    [QUOTE]How many Jeter-worshipping threads do we really need here? OK, we got it, he's a great player and a class gentleman. 3,000 hits is an awesome achievement, yes, but do we need this endless stream of platitudes and glorification, when we know full well that no Yankee fan would waste half a breath extolling the attributes of any Red Sox? It always amazes me the one way street of compliment in this greatest of all rivalries. Red Sox fans here continually and happily praise the Yankees, despite the knowledge that no Yankee fan in his smug arrogance would ever return the compliment.
    Posted by crix[/QUOTE]

    It's not all about being praised back.  Honest fact of the matter is that if we see their players who are very very good and recognize it, while they don't do the same to ours, it simply means that we are the classier of the two groups.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeter earns respect of Boston fans:
    [QUOTE]Based on the sourpuss responses here, some have, and obviously some haven't. Some just can't stand giving a Yankee his due; they can't see beyond the uniform. They're not really baseball fans, just grumpaholics.
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    Steve remember we do rise to the occasion. Remember both Lou Pienella and Donnie Baseball got standing ovations their last games at Fenway. I'm sure Jeter's will exceed them.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeter earns respect of Boston fans:
    [QUOTE]How many Jeter-worshipping threads do we really need here? OK, we got it, he's a great player and a class gentleman. 3,000 hits is an awesome achievement, yes, but do we need this endless stream of platitudes and glorification, when we know full well that no Yankee fan would waste half a breath extolling the attributes of any Red Sox? It always amazes me the one way street of compliment in this greatest of all rivalries. Red Sox fans here continually and happily praise the Yankees, despite the knowledge that no Yankee fan in his smug arrogance would ever return the compliment.
    Posted by crix[/QUOTE]

    BS; for example, check the recent Dick Williams & 67 RS threads; there are other examples weeks ago, such as Yankee posters praising AGon. A poor excuse.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Jeter earns respect of Boston fans : Steve remember we do rise to the occasion. Remember both Lou Pienella and Donnie Baseball got standing ovations their last games at Fenway. I'm sure Jeter's will exceed them.
    Posted by jaytf25[/QUOTE]

    I believe the rivalry was lower pitched then; heck, these 2 teams even used to trade with each other once in a while. Like Shaughnessy said, I'm sure (as a general rule) they''ll come around.
     
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    I respect the fact the yankees lose when Jeter plays
     
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    In Response to Re: Jeter earns respect of Boston fans:
    [QUOTE]How many Jeter-worshipping threads do we really need here? OK, we got it, he's a great player and a class gentleman. 3,000 hits is an awesome achievement, yes, but do we need this endless stream of platitudes and glorification, when we know full well that no Yankee fan would waste half a breath extolling the attributes of any Red Sox? It always amazes me the one way street of compliment in this greatest of all rivalries. Red Sox fans here continually and happily praise the Yankees, despite the knowledge that no Yankee fan in his smug arrogance would ever return the compliment.
    Posted by crix[/QUOTE]

    Not all Yankee fans are like the Babe, nor are all Red Sox fans like andrewmitch.  Some of us on both sides of the rivalry do show respect to the other team every once in awhile. 
     
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    Jeter and Rivera - first-ballot HOF.

    Well-deserved.

    And Jeter's mansion - St. Jetersburg - needs to be just so large to accommodate all that hardware. 

    Career highlights and awards


     

    That's got to be some big rec room!  Again, well-deserved.

    But I digress.

     
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    I have a lot of respect for Bernie Williams and Rivera and in the past for Reggie and Guidry but jeter is highly over-rated and some yankee fans I know will even admit that.........so don't accuse me of "disrespecting" jeter just because he is a yankee....albeit the more yankee fans play this guy up the easier it is to dislike him.........
     
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    [QUOTE]I have a lot of respect for Bernie Williams and Rivera and in the past for Reggie and Guidry but jeter is highly over-rated and some yankee fans I know will even admit that.........so don't accuse me of "disrespecting" jeter just because he is a yankee....albeit the more yankee fans play this guy up the easier it is to dislike him.........
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    Point taken; and while I'll grant you Jeter is no Ruth, Gehrig, TW, etc; Bernie is no Jeter. 
     
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     I`m not into reading yours, or the "babe", or "Franks" cut and paste crap. I have no idea why you guys do it.If you want to pump up Jeter to anyone go to the Yankee board.
     The real baseball fans here respect Jeter and have said so.Why do you guys constantly shove it down our throat.
       If I want to read about your beloved Yanks,i`ll go the to a Yankee site.

     
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    If you substitute Mariano Rivera for Derek Jeter, I would give him all of the praise in the world.  Rivera is the greatest closer in the history of the game, and one of the greatest pitchers, and nothing you say about him is hyperbole.

    With Jeter, though, that's just not the case.  Jeter is a very very good player, but he's basically Robbie Alomar in pinstripes, but without the D.  He's never been the best SS defensively in the league, despite his GGs.  And he's rarely been the best offensive SS in the league.  His most convincing HOF numbers come as a result of the offense around him - he gets a lot of hits because he gets a lot of PAs.  He scores a lot runs because guys drive him in.  He has a lot of rings because he's been on very good teams.

    Is some of this bitterness toward a Yankee?  Maybe.  But I think it's more a distaste for seeing a player so constantly over-valued, or even celebrated for his deficiencies.  Take the 2004 foul ball incident - 29 shortstops in baseball make that play without hurting themselves, but because of the narrative, it winds up as the defensive play of the year.

    FWIW Robbie Alomar is a HOF, but not first ballot.

     
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    [QUOTE]FWIW Robbie Alomar is a HOF, but not first ballot.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]
     
    Completely agreed
     
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    It's funny how the media keeps talking about Derek Jeter. 
    Once Jeter gets his 3,000 hits, there is nothing else to talk about him. 

    Why not talk about a young and upcoming star like Jose Batista from the Toronto Blue Jays? 



     
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    I've been talking about the PA's for years now.........PA resulting from good offense around him and good offense around from a combination of the high payroll (directly correlated to playing in the largest media market since Genesis) and from the rampant use of steriods and PED's in da bronx........

    RE:  "the catch" - remember, there was a better catch earlier in that game by the Red Sox SS...not Nomar.  Pokey.  But because he didn't cut himself no one remembers it.  Watch it again.  Also, jeter does not make that play if it's on the road - no way..........so, i am not impressed.....i will give him kudos though because he cared more about the ball than his body but was it a great catch?  come one, he caught it well within the playing field....he should have collided with the wall and not have run over it and into the stands....the way to do that would have been to try and go into a slide or, at least be sure your hip crashed into the wall.....it was his own fault for going over the wall......catch was already made..........anyways, Pokey's catch was better.........do not forget that.........I am sure all the yankee fans will be watching the July 1 game over and over again this October thinking about what may have been...
     

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