[QUOTE]If you substitute Mariano Rivera for Derek Jeter, I would give him all of the praise in the world. Rivera is the greatest closer in the history of the game, and one of the greatest pitchers, and nothing you say about him is hyperbole. With Jeter, though, that's just not the case. Jeter is a very very good player, but he's basically Robbie Alomar in pinstripes, but without the D. He's never been the best SS defensively in the league, despite his GGs. And he's rarely been the best offensive SS in the league. His most convincing HOF numbers come as a result of the offense around him - he gets a lot of hits because he gets a lot of PAs. He scores a lot runs because guys drive him in. He has a lot of rings because he's been on very good teams. Is some of this bitterness toward a Yankee? Maybe. But I think it's more a distaste for seeing a player so constantly over-valued, or even celebrated for his deficiencies. Take the 2004 foul ball incident - 29 shortstops in baseball make that play without hurting themselves, but because of the narrative, it winds up as the defensive play of the year. FWIW Robbie Alomar is a HOF, but not first ballot.
Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]