Re: Jim Rice to
posted at 3/6/2013 8:30 PM EST
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Good advice from Jim. For sure...he knew when it was time to shut it down. I love baseball..but to me there are few things in sports sadder than someone who doesn't know when to let go. I like to see people go out on top..but that's my preference. I think Ortiz should have retired after last season.
I think the whole Ortiz controversy is nothing but fodder in the sense that it's not very relevent to the team. The Sox season is doing going to hang on whether Ortiz is healthy or not. Ortiz is part of a dying breed. If his achilles heals completely ( I doubt it ever will) then he could have an okay season...but anyone who is looking for big numbers from Big Papi is living in a dreamworld.
You should check out Jim Rice's stats for his last three seasons and think again about whether or not he knew when to retire. If Rice had not played that last season, he would had retire with an average above .300, and many think this would have sent him to the hall faster.
I loved Jim Rice and would have paid to see him another year or so. But he did not know when to retire and the only reason he did retire, was that there were virtually no offers after the 89 season.
Sure Rice knew when to retire. You should do more than just look at numbers.
Last three seasons:
Rice's numbers fell off a bit in 1987 when he battled injuries and played in just 108 games. He was on pace for about 20 HRs and 90 RBIs had he played his nomral 150-plus games. And his .277 BA that year was respectable and consider this. He was batting .177 on May 23 then got hot and was batting .303 a month and a half later on July 29.
In 1988, he fell off a bit more but 15 HR, 72 RBI is productive. He was fourth on the team in homers and fourth in RBIs.
Just because a player isn't putting up the same numbers he did in his prime, it doesn't mean he should retire.
And consider this for 1988: He started slow with 0 HR and 13 RBIs through May. In the last four months, he hit 15 HRS with 59 RBIs, including 5 HR, 15 RBI in September (good numbers) and an .822 OPS in the second half of the season. So why should he have thought about retirement then?
As for 1989, as I recall, although I might be wrong, he had a good spring training. Regardless, he got off to an excellent start, batting .291 with 3 HR, 16 RBIs in April -- an 18-HR, 96-RBI pace. It was May on when the injuries and eyesight really took its toll.
There seems to be many on this site who want to gives awards for what could had been only if the player did not get injured. Jim had a hard time seeing the ball the last few seasons. He slowed done and wasn't feared as he once was. Regardless of the numbers of which you think were great, it was tough watching him at the plate.
Even if you think he should have stuck around, there were no offers from anyone after the 89 season.
Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? I could recommend a good tutor.
I never said his numbers were great in his last three years. I said, specifically for 1987 and 1988, that he was productive even if he wasn't in his prime and that his numbers dropped. There's a difference.
Just because he slowed down and wasn't "feared" it doesn't mean he still couldn't help the team. The Sox did win the AL East in 1988.
And where did I say he should have stuck around after 1989? Having trouble with that reading comprehension stuff again?
After 1988, yeah, I had no problem with him coming back in 1989. He finished the year strong and had an excellent (not great) month of April in 1989.
Careers aren't always on a straight line up and a straight line down. Look at Yaz. In 1975, he hit just .269 with just 14 HRs and 60 RBIs. I guess you would have been one to say it was time for him to retire. He was 36 after all. Then look what he did in the next three years.
Oh -- and who is giving awards for injuries? My only point about injuries was in 1987, when he was in the lineup, he was productive -- PRODUCTIVE, NOT GREAT (have someone explain the diference) -- but he played just 108 games because of injuries. I guess by your reasoning, he should have retired after 1986 because he should have know that in 1987, he would be hurt.