Jitterbug Jake is driving the Red Sox offense

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    More likely 25/50 but still rare and excellent!  Remy compared him to Bobby Bonds without the high strikeout rate, which is apt.
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    Except for the arm; Bonds had a cannon.
     
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    Bettah chance of Softy being invited to the Wake golf classic.
    Posted by harness


    And accepting.
     
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    The real Softy would spell "deficiency" correctly.
     
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    The "real softy" mispells and mistypes often.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jitterbug Jake is driving the Red Sox offense : Leave the impersonations for Pike and Harness, Moonslow. I don't need to fall to such a level.
    Posted by bettersoftthanlaw


    "I don't need to fall to such a level."  Kind of hard to fall when you're already at the bottom of the intellectual staircase.  But rock on with your delusional self buddy.
     
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    Reverse pivot # 16
    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17154095
    A no doubter.
     
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    Did you ever paint the floor and paint yourself into a corner? There is one person on this forum who has been painting the floor Ellsbury gray and ended up in the far corner. He did the same exact thing up on Beacon Hill a few years back when he painted the Statehouse floor Theo amber. Yet the painters union won't fire him for incompetence - damn union slugs.
     
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    The "real softy" mispells and mistypes often.
    Posted by moonslav59


    Usually only nights & weekends i.e. the cocktail hour.
     
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    We have a forum with 50 regulars and 10 are from Seattle. I smell something rotten.
     
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    WAR is not a valid player value appraisal. Francouer is a one trick pony who doesn't have a contract extension because no smart gm would ever pay him 5 to 7 M to sit half the time. His career OBP is .310 and he is a punch and judy corner of'er. His 2010 V. LHP slugging % was .442. Not very impressive for a guy that does little else on platework. Long term, bidding for or extending Francouer is poor value and fit for a player who has weak market demand for a reason. he is in a the right market. Francouer and Pence are the favorite names to fix the Crawbust OF construction flaw. The reason is not value or fit, it's to retain Ellsbury short and long term and add a face that reflects the pride and prejudice of most Red Sox fans. Kemp, J. Upton and McCutchen are the only types of skill set profiles who are value and fit to repair the Crawbust OF construction flaw. I'd love to see the reception McCutchen would get, if he took Bellsbury's place. The reality is that when Theo bought Crawford, he was effectively painting himself into Bellsbury's long term replacement. There is no way to pay both, long term, as the current Francouer dumpster dive and OF v. LHP patently manifests. Right now, Theo is having to lie to the fans and claim he's trying to extend Bellsbury and wants to keep him. For the first time, he called him a core member. This is to placate the prejudices of the fanbase. The truth is that Theo replaced Ellsbury with Crawford, long term. Bellsbury is gone unless Crawford is unable to return to the lower ranges of his career standard deviation splits. In order to avoid a 2nd GM malpractice complication on the heels of the 142M Crawbust contract, Theo must not allow fan prejudice to get in the way of locking up long term on a young slugging star profile like Kemp, J. Upton or McCutchen. If he allows fan prejudice to run out the trade value arbitration clock on Ellsbury, he will be guilty of allowing emotion to dictate baseball business decisions in a Lowell and Wakefield ceremonial fan favorite gifted roster spot fashion. Kemp's name, infra, can be replaced by a similar profile if that profile is a better current market value. Unlikely, given the fact that Dodgers are most certainly out of it this year, no chance they sign Kemp beyond 2012, and the Dodgers are currently big sellers who need a new narrative. A blockbuster trade would give them that and improve their balance and depth and current and future construction. 1. The Dodgers will trade Kemp for Ellsbury and 2 or 3 non-elite prospects/players. 2. Kemp will agree to an extension at 18 to 20M base x 7 years (to age 33) 3. Kemp will only cost about 2M more for 2011 4. Kemp will agree to a middle load his extension to create a lower than 2011 budget fexibility over the near two years 5. Theo or his successor is not going to extend or bid high for Ellsbury FA 6. Ellsbury's value is currently inflated and will only fall from here out 7. Ellsbury is a better current and long term fit and value for the Dodgers 8. Kemp is a better current and long term fit and value for the Red Sox The worse thing Theo can do is to continue to vacillate under pressure to run the Ellsbury clock out and appeal to fan emotions for a long term deal for Ellsbury. Crawford is a move that cannot be undone, nor should it be now that the mistake has been etched in stone. A blockbuster deal helps both the Dodgers and the Red Sox, short and long term. Crawford will improve once Ellsbury's fan adoration vacuum is gone. Neither Crawford or Kemp will be as popular as Ellsbury, Lowell, Wakefied and Varitek, but so what. The Red Sox will be a better team now and in the future. Crawford's role will change to the only role he is suited for. Being told to simply get on base and forget trying to slug to a 142M #3 hitter tune. Being the #6 hitter is embarrassing on many levels.
    Posted by billbyboy
    Well, that's certainly an overload of information. So I'll confine myself to your last point (for now). Being the #6 hitter is an embarassment? Fred Lynn was the #6 hitter for most of the Red Sox 1978 games. While not a hall of famer, Lynn was a high average hitter with significant pop in 1978. The Red Sox, as currently constructed, have the most dangerous 1 through 6 lineup in MLB. And with the addition of Reddick for Drew it probably runs 1 through 7. Do they have a high average slugger at every one of those spots? No, nor do they want that. In an ideal world your lineup has a balance of Power, bat control and speed. This is exactly what the Red Sox have right now. Harold Reynolds was saying on MLB network that offensively the Red Sox can beat you in every way imaginable. If the team has one area that is questionable it is the pitching. That's why if you're going to back up the prospect truck, you do it for Ubaldo, but not Kemp or Beltran. And one more point. Ellsbury's value will only fall from here on out? He's improved every single year he's played in the majors. What makes you think he will suddenly regress?
     
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    The "real softy" mispells and mistypes often. In order to captiously belittle another poster's misspelling, one must first be abe to spell "misspell". Softy was a great poster, never fearful of being censored by the NY Times. Too bad he's gone, as we are left with the dim witted drivel of Moonslow and Harnut. I hear Softlaw now has his invitation only blog, which gets more daily visits than the 2 viewers of Rachel Mandow.
    Posted by billbyboy

    Fool my blog is open to the public. I do not try to limit my viewers, as I allow all who are open-minded to listen to what I have to say. The reader being able to understand and follow what I say, is another matter I don't need Obama's Blog Czar to control who can see important information.
     
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    Do they have an OFer with more than a few weeks of a season sample size who is very good v. Lhp? No they do not. See Phillies.
    Posted by billbyboy
    Maybe not, but they have a 2B, 3B and DH who do pretty well against LHP.
     
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    has anyone seen Kemps numbers in the last 10 games...dropped from .320 to .306. 3 for his last 19 (5 games) with 0 hr 0 rbi 1 BB and 10 SO.
     
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    We have a forum with 50 regulars and 10 are from Seattle. I smell something rotten.
    Posted by Your-Echo


    Try getting your head out of your azz.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jitterbug Jake is driving the Red Sox offense : Try getting your head out of your azz.
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    If pike had to talk about baseball, he'd post about once a month. Still the entertainment value of him attempting to paint everyone else here as trolls is fairly high.
     
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    In Response to Re: Jitterbug Jake is driving the Red Sox offense : Fool my blog is open to the public. I do not try to limit my viewers, as I allow all who are open-minded to listen to what I have to say. The reader being able to understand and follow what I say, is another matter I don't need Obama's Blog Czar to control who can see important information.
    Posted by bettersoftthanlaw


    Folks, what you are witnessing is split-personality dementia. The individual behind these identities is splintering.

    Both of these nutcases are of one. Make no mistake. This clown has used similar diversionary tactics to hide from his next ban. It's part act, part psychosis.

    Both "bettersoftthanlaw" and "Billyboy" are coming off the same keyboard.
    Bet on it.

     
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    In Response to Re: Jitterbug Jake is driving the Red Sox offense : Fool my blog is open to the public. I do not try to limit my viewers, as I allow all who are open-minded to listen to what I have to say. The reader being able to understand and follow what I say, is another matter I don't need Obama's Blog Czar to control who can see important information.
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    Do you enjoy talking to yourself?
     
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    The last 10 games make Kemp a more desirable target, and Ellsbury a more desirable trade bait.
    Posted by billbyboy


    UR last 10 posts make you a prime candidate for the b-o-o-b-y hatch brigade.

    Sick, psychotic mind. I can't believe you are allowed out without a keeper.
     
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    The "real softy" mispells and mistypes often.

    In order to captiously belittle another poster's misspelling, one must first be abe to spell "misspell". Softy was a great poster, never fearful of being censored by the NY Times. Too bad he's gone, as we are left with the dim witted drivel of Moonslow and Harnut. I hear Softlaw now has his invitation only blog, which gets more daily visits than the 2 viewers of Rachel Mandow

    I wasn't "belittling" you for misspelling and typos. I have many of my own. I was just trying to point out to the person who was trying to expose your imposter based  on a typo was not sound reasoning. I guess you are too "out of it" to even notice my intentions.

    WAR is not a valid player value appraisal. Francouer is a one trick pony who doesn't have a contract extension because no smart gm would ever pay him 5 to 7 M to sit half the time.

    Francouer is making just $2.5M this year, so only about $1M is due this year. There is a $4M mutual option for 2012, but the deal for Francouer would be for the RH'd OF bat we need this year. Hopefully a longer term one will be found for 2012. With Reddick and Kalish banging on the door, a nice RH'd and much cheaper platoon type RF'er makes more sense.

    His career OBP is .310 and he is a punch and judy corner of'er. His 2010 V. LHP slugging % was .442. Not very impressive for a guy that does little else on platework.

    You raved about Coco's distant past "pop" and all he had was a 15 and 16 HR seasons. Jeff has a 29 HR season once and a 19 and 15 also. But, it's not about his overall numbers. It is what he does vs LHPs that matters most for us in 2011. He has been very very good vs RHPs for 3 years, but I know you prefer career numbers when you do not agree with someone's point. Here are Jeff's career numbers based on a 650 PA full season vs just LHPs: .299/.344/.493/.838 with 25 HRs, 40 2B/3Bs and 100 RBIs. I'll take that punch and Judy hitter over JD, CC, or any OF'er on the Sox right now.
     
    Long term, bidding for or extending Francouer is poor value and fit for a player who has weak market demand for a reason. he is in a the right market.

    No need to extend.: just give a couple of midlevel prospects and use Jeff wisely for 2 months. 

    Francouer and Pence are the favorite names to fix the Crawbust OF construction flaw. The reason is not value or fit, it's to retain Ellsbury short and long term and add a face that reflects the pride and prejudice of most Red Sox fans

    It's your prejudice and inflated pride that has been exposed.. 

    Kemp, J. Upton and McCutchen are the only types of skill set profiles who are value and fit to repair the Crawbust OF construction flaw


    You really believe only 3 OF'ers fit the need? (Don't answer: cut your loses).

    I'd love to see the reception McCutchen would get, if he took Bellsbury's place

    I have been advocating McCutchen for over a year. You ridiculed me for mentioning him last winter. You really are a clown!

    The reality is that when Theo bought Crawford, he was effectively painting himself into Bellsbury's long term replacement. There is no way to pay both, long term, as the current Francouer dumpster dive and OF v. LHP patently manifests

    You don't have to convince me about Crawford's faults and the mistake it was to sign him. "I was the leader" on advocating not signing him. I placed less value in his worth than you, when I said TB would not miss him and you called me a fool for saying so.

    Right now, Theo is having to lie to the fans and claim he's trying to extend Bellsbury and wants to keep him. For the first time, he called him a core member. This is to placate the prejudices of the fanbase. The truth is that Theo replaced Ellsbury with Crawford, long term. Bellsbury is gone unless Crawford is unable to return to the lower ranges of his career standard deviation splits

    Ellsbury is gone because of Bora$$, not because of Theo. If he followed your advice, we'd have traded Ellsbury long ago and missed his "unforeseen" improvments. It's laughable to think of all the names you wanted straight up for a guy you said would never get over .335 OBP or hit over 12 HRs (unless he played LF)

    In order to avoid a 2nd GM malpractice complication on the heels of the 142M Crawbust contract, Theo must not allow fan prejudice to get in the way of locking up long term on a young slugging star profile like Kemp, J. Upton or McCutchen. If he allows fan prejudice to run out the trade value arbitration clock on Ellsbury, he will be guilty of allowing emotion to dictate baseball business decisions in a Lowell and Wakefield ceremonial fan favorite gifted roster spot fashion

    Why are your only 3 players worthy of replacing Jake nonwhite? Why do you keep bring up the "good ole boys" Wake and Mikey? It's your prejudice that continuously appears.

    Kemp's name, infra, can be replaced by a similar profile if that profile is a better current market value. Unlikely, given the fact that Dodgers are most certainly out of it this year, no chance they sign Kemp beyond 2012, and the Dodgers are currently big sellers who need a new narrative. A blockbuster trade would give them that and improve their balance and depth and current and future construction. 

    1. The Dodgers will trade Kemp for Ellsbury and 2 or 3 non-elite prospects/players.

    2. Kemp will agree to an extension at 18 to 20M base x 7 years (to age 33)

    3. Kemp will only cost about 2M more for 2011

    4. Kemp will agree to a middle load his extension to create a lower than 2011 budget fexibility over the near two years

    5. Theo or his successor is not going to extend or bid high for Ellsbury FA

    6. Ellsbury's value is currently inflated and will only fall from here out

    7. Ellsbury is a better current and long term fit and value for the Dodgers

    8. Kemp is a better current and long term fit and value for the Red Sox

    If Ellsbury is as bad as you say he is, why would LA want him? He can't field. His "cheap HRs" in Boston will all be outs in spacious LA. SBs are over-rated. He runs into too many outs. Bellsbury has a huge weakness vs LHPs. He's punch and judy.

    The worse thing Theo can do is to continue to vacillate under pressure to run the Ellsbury clock out and appeal to fan emotions for a long term deal for Ellsbury. Crawford is a move that cannot be undone, nor should it be now that the mistake has been etched in stone

    He could pay a team some of CC's contract and undo his worst mistake as a GM. He could trade 3-5 prospects for Kemp and keep Ellsbury as well. Why is it that every option you have ever discussed involves trading "JakeK? (Don't answer: we know). 

    A blockbuster deal helps both the Dodgers and the Red Sox, short and long term

    Wrong and wrong

    Crawford will improve once Ellsbury's fan adoration vacuum is gone. Neither Crawford or Kemp will be as popular as Ellsbury, Lowell, Wakefied and Varitek, but so what. The Red Sox will be a better team now and in the future. Crawford's role will change to the only role he is suited for. Being told to simply get on base and forget trying to slug to a 142M #3 hitter
    . tune. Being the #6 hitter is embarrassing on many levels

    I'd love to have McCutchen on this team. I'd love to have Kemp on this team. I'd be willing to trade top prospects to make either happen, buta trading Ellsbury right as he is entering his prime and replacing him with a .330 (at best) OBP as our leadoff hitter is just plain ludicrous. Pittsburgh is not likely to be sellers this year. LA is likely to look to a 2-3 building process (same as SD) if they choose to become sellers. They would not extend Ellsbury or sign him when he becomes a Bora$$ FA. Jake is not a "fit" for LA. He is a perfect "fit" here in Boston. Here in 2011. Next year in 2012. Again in 2013. 


     
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    The last 10 games make Kemp a more desirable target, and Ellsbury a more desirable trade bait.
    Posted by billbyboy

    Almost everyday you say Jake's trade value is at its highest. By now, even Felix Hernandez straight up, could not be possibly worth the ever rising value of Jake if we followed your mathematics.

     
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