Johann Santana done?

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    Johann Santana done?

    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.

     
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    I think it's gotta be something with the Mets.  Santana, Beltran, Bay and now with Wright.  

     
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    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.

     




    I remember how some posters really tore Theo apart for not pulling the trigger on that deal. (It didn't help that this time period was Law's heyday.)

     

     
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    I suddenly feel a lot better about Lackey's contract.

     
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      Giving FREE AGENTS and especially PITCHERS  big $$$$$$$ and years is, as DAD would say.......  "SON, FOOLS GOLD" !!!!!

     
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    He also threw a lot more pitchers in 2008 than he did in 2007, and a lot more than the #2 guy.

     
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    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.



    If Theo did trade Lester for Santana then he would have walked away in a gorilla suit again.   LOL

     

     
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    That no-hitter may have helped

     
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    I think it's gotta be something with the Mets.  Santana, Beltran, Bay and now with Wright.  



    It's the problem when you don't develop enough players.  Nothing wrong with signing the odd FA, but when you become overly reliant, you get desperate and sloppy.  Santana was still very good, but his peripherals were splipping.  His velocity had dropped from 93.1 to 91.7.

    It didn't mean he was going to be a bad pitcher, but it did mean he likely wouldn't be worth his $24M for very long.

     
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    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.

     



    If Theo did trade Lester for Santana then he would have walked away in a gorilla suit again.   LOL

     

     



    It would have been the ultimate failure to add that to the other mis-steps he had there in the last couple years. Hed have been burned in efigy on Yawkee Way. But I think Lackey may do more on the backend of his contract and make it not such a horrible deal after all. I hope....

     
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    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.

     




    I remember how some posters really tore Theo apart for not pulling the trigger on that deal. (It didn't help that this time period was Law's heyday.)

     



    They are the same idiots that criticize every FO move.  Their opinions are meaningless.

    I find it amazing how often they fall into the same trap of not realizing that players age, skills decline, and they get injured more often.  What was it that Einstein said about these people?

     
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    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.

     




    I remember how some posters really tore Theo apart for not pulling the trigger on that deal. (It didn't help that this time period was Law's heyday.)

     

     



    They are the same idiots that criticize every FO move.  Their opinions are meaningless.

     

    I find it amazing how often they fall into the same trap of not realizing that players age, skills decline, and they get injured more often.  What was it that Einstein said about these people?



    Ah... You mean the creationists? He's 34 I believe, does he retire or do we see him again in a year or so? 

     
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    That no-hitter may have helped




    or not.....was thinking the same, when I read the OP, steven.

     
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    or not.....was thinking the same, when I read the OP, steven.

     

     



    The Manager cried that game for leaving him in because he said he knew his surgically repared arm (given the surgery, an unprecedented comeback as well) couldn't handle the 135 pitches. Given his near double digit ERA afterwards (8.27, 16.33 in his last 4 starts), he was mostly right.

    Then the organization fed the BS that his "back" was bothering him to avoid embarrassment

     

     
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    or not.....was thinking the same, when I read the OP, steven.

     

     



    The Manager cried that game for leaving him in because he said he knew his surgically repared arm (given the surgery, an unprecedented comeback as well) couldn't handle the 135 pitches. Given his near double digit ERA afterwards (8.27, 16.33 in his last 4 starts), he was mostly right.

     

     



    If I remember correctly, the decision to stay in the game was Santana's. To his credit, he was thinking more about the first no hitter in Mets history, than himself. Apparently, so was the organization

     

     
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    or not.....was thinking the same, when I read the OP, steven.

     

     



    The Manager cried that game for leaving him in because he said he knew his surgically repared arm (given the surgery, an unprecedented comeback as well) couldn't handle the 135 pitches. Given his near double digit ERA afterwards (8.27, 16.33 in his last 4 starts), he was mostly right.

     

     



    If I remember correctly, the decision to stay in the game was Santana's. To his credit, he was thinking more about the first no hitter in Mets history, than himself. Apparently, so was the organization

     



    Beyond an ego motivated reason, I don't buy it

     
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    Too Bad. A class act and a terrific pitcher when he was healthy!

     
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    That no-hitter may have helped

     




    or not.....was thinking the same, when I read the OP, steven.

     

     



    The Manager cried that game for leaving him in because he said he knew his surgically repared arm (given the surgery, an unprecedented comeback as well) couldn't handle the 135 pitches. Given his near double digit ERA afterwards (8.27, 16.33 in his last 4 starts), he was mostly right.

     

     



    If I remember correctly, the decision to stay in the game was Santana's. To his credit, he was thinking more about the first no hitter in Mets history, than himself. Apparently, so was the organization

     

     



    Beyond an ego motivated reason, I don't buy it

     

     



    I think that can be said, for all of them. In fairness to him, he didn't know he'd end up with the no hitter. Chances were better than not, he'd end with future shoulder issues.

     

     
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    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.

     




    I remember how some posters really tore Theo apart for not pulling the trigger on that deal. (It didn't help that this time period was Law's heyday.)

     




    Exactly what I was thinking the moment I saw ESPN flash this news at the bottom of the screen hour after hour last night. 

    Who was that poster that so wanted to do this deal with either Buchholz or Lester with Ellsbury?

     
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    "Total reconstruction" were the words I heard about his shoulder. Could be it for him at his age. Arent we all glad Theo didnt trade Lester for him now after 2007? That might have been the best move Theo made. NOT trading Lester for Santana.

     




    I remember how some posters really tore Theo apart for not pulling the trigger on that deal. (It didn't help that this time period was Law's heyday.)

     

     




    Exactly what I was thinking the moment I saw ESPN flash this news at the bottom of the screen hour after hour last night. 

     

    Who was that poster that so wanted to do this deal with either Buchholz or Lester with Ellsbury?



    That would be........  Who is Stiffy Alex.  aaaah  aaaah aaaah....  Just like his mutha

     

     
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    At the time I wasn't openly opposed to the trade, but saw Lester's youth and potential as one reason to hang on to him, so I wasn't upset when the deal didn't get done. Not dealing him for Santana made sense. Looking back, now I'm really glad it didn't happen.

     
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