Re: Jon Lester is not out of the woods just yet
posted at 5/11/2013 10:04 AM EDT
In response to pumpsie-green's comment:
In response to Joebreidey's comment:
Thats not correct Breidey. Verlander's fastball is listed at 93.3 and Lester is listed at 92.0 as of right now.
I suspect Lester is listed as #1 or thereabouts. How many innings you pitch does not matter as much as the quality of those innings. Would you rather have Lester or Verlander or Felix on your team? Why?
1-My numbers are from FG.
2-I would rather have Verlander or Felix, but I wasn't the one that brought up the subject of Lester's loss of velocity. You had the concern about his velocity. I addressed that concern.
3-Now, if a drop in velocity is such a concern for you, why would you want Verlander or Felix, who have had bigger drops in velocity?
My numbers are also from Fangraphs. Here is the report on Verlander showing his average 2013 fastball is 93.3:
Here is the report on Lester showing his average 2013 fastball is 92.0:
In answer to your third point, I would always want the more effective pitcher. Greg Maddux (and others) was never flamethrower, but he was more effective than Lester at his peak, finishing his career with an ERA of 3.16 overall. If Lester could learn to locate like Maddux could he could also be a great pitcher. However, he has to learn how to pitch now rather than throw.
I took my data from the same pages, but two sections up from your yours. It would the numbers in the ( ).
IRT the rest, no one is saying that Lester is better than Maddux in his prime. He is a 1st ballot HOF, imo. You started the thread with a concern for Lester's velocity, not a comparison between Lester and three HOF prospects.
I think I can speak for the rest of the group in saying that, if Lester's biggest issue is that he doesn't quite measure up to Verlander, Felix, and Maddux, then we don't have much of a problem.