Re: Jonathan Herrera Gets Sent Down Because?
posted at 7/8/2014 11:28 AM EDT
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
In response to royf19's comment:
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
Some are missing the point here. Why bring up Carp to showcase him if he is not even going to play? Why pay 10 mil to Drew if he cannot play against lefties? There does seem to be a disconnect here. It really looks like there is confusion and panic in what we are seeing. Rational decision making is not on display. It is pretty hard to dispute that, although some will no doubt try.
Stabbed by Foulke.
Just because things don't work out, it doesn't mean a rationale decision process wasn't being used.
Take the Drew signing. Drew was signed when Middlebrooks went out with the injury. At that point, the Sox had no other obvious options on the left side. Holt at that point had barely played 3B. Taking a look at what was out there, Drew was the best option on the left side because there really wasn't a 3B out there and he would improve the defense. Unfortunately, the hitting was too slow to come around regardless of who he faced.
I might wrong, but I don't think Carp has any options and after a certain amount of rehab time, you have to bring him back. So you don't simply DFA him when you can send down a light-hitting UT infielder, who barely plays anyway. How much Carp plays is irrelevant. It keeps him around as another trade piece, and I'm sure he'll get some playing time against RH pitchers.
Pretty rational decision-making if you ask me.
[object HTMLDivElement]. Roy, Okay, but I do think you are kind of prone to go along with everything they do . I have no idea if Carp needed to be brought up immediately or DFAed. Maybe that was the case. I don't know. But if it was not, it makes no sense to bring him up when we are facing three games against lefties. You are not being showcased sitting on the bench. To pay Drew 10 mil for part time play over half a season is an incredible blunder, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. To me, rational decision making seemed to go out the window right after the corks were popped last fall , even before that if you consider our weak offer to Abreu. I think that is the reason for our current situation. Feel free to argue that everything was done right and our current plight is just due to some unforeseeable circumstances.
Herrera was sent down because he had an option left, and therefore they could keep everyone. Carp is only allowed a rehab stint of a certain length, and since it was over, he had to be recalled or DFA’d, similar to the Nolan Reimold situation in Baltimore last week. If Carp had options left, he would not be in Boston. This is how we got him last year. Demoting Herrera for a while lets them keep everyone. Nava was another option. Drew was not.
I don’t think its so much a case of fans “going along” with everything the FO does as it is more a case of realizing many of our complaints are not made with any knowledge. For some reason, a lot of complaining is done assuming the playing field is level and we all know everything the FO knows. In some cases, it isn’t so obvious. For example, how do you know the Sox low-balled Abreu? You repeatedly mention this despite not knowing any actual numbers. Abreu himself said he went with the White Sox because of the presence of other Cuban players there. Sure, this might be “media speak,” but you have to think it was at the very least a tiebreaker. That’s a minimum. For all we know, the Red Sox topped the ChiSox offer, but we had no Cuban presence and the difference wasn’t enough for Abreu.
In some cases, it is. Herrera has an option left. This is the biggest factor in why he was sent down.
In fact, though you like to paint yourself otherwise, you really do come off as someone who questions every decision they make. For example, last year, you spent more time arguing how the Sox made a horrible move trading Clayton Mortenson for Quentin Berry than Mortenson has aqctually spent wearing an MLB uniform since. Whether or not Berry lived up to Dave Roberts is immaterial there. Do you really look back on that trade and feel we gave up anything at all? And if you get right down to it now, you are arguing over the utility infielder being sent down. Really? It’s not like they demoted Holt (who also has an option left), or someone who was actually playing more than once a week.
Drew probably won’t sit againt lefties forever. He spent most of his career playing against them. I can see why they chose those games to sit him early on, as he was 8 weeks behind everyone else. It shouldn’t last, and his future this year will either be starting every day or benched every day. I would argue that Drew was a blunder if it limited them anywhere else, but it doesn’t appear that it will. It won’t interfere with extending Lester, and the early media talk is it on’t affect any trade deadline acquisitions.