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    Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 10:18 AM EDT

    (Or even second-line) This crying about "over-worked" doesn't wash. The "pen" was lousy in April, and they sure were not over worked then! They are simply not very good. period.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 10:21 AM EDT

    you dont give up one of your top prospects for bullpen help. Bagwell redux? Think before you post!
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 10:21 AM EDT

        First, I would like to see him @ SS the rest of the season !!!
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 10:23 AM EDT

    pedro or iggy needs to be moved for a pitcher...iggy will get you more in a trade..no sense having both of those guys around
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 10:24 AM EDT

    In Response to Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    (Or even second-line) This crying about "over-worked" doesn't wash. The "pen" was lousy in April, and they sure were not over worked then! They are simply not very good. period.
    Posted by bosoxmal


    you dont think the pen is overworked???????? cmon - they fell apart last september because they had ONE MONTH of bad starting pitching - imagine what it must be with an entire season of inept 4-5 inning starting pitching....those bullpen guys all deserve purple hearts...
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 10:36 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
        First, I would like to see him @ SS the rest of the season !!!
    Posted by Bill-806

    This team SHOULD bring up a young player to fill every single position they have a decent prospect at.... then they sould give them a 30 days look.... ALL of the month of Sept. they shouldbe doing what other teams that stink do.... seeing what they have for next year....

     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 10:48 AM EDT

    In Response to Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    (Or even second-line) This crying about "over-worked" doesn't wash. The "pen" was lousy in April, and they sure were not over worked then! They are simply not very good. period.
    Posted by bosoxmal

    Jose Iglesias currently has limited trade value as a defensively gifted but offensively challenged shortstop who will earn more than $2 million as a 23-year-old in 2013.

    Most franchises already have defensively adept shortstop prospects who struggle at the plate.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 11:13 AM EDT

    except iggy has been hitting hot in AAA as of late. if he keeps it up the rest of the season then his trade value will be at its highest. plus we have depth at SS in the organization and a big need for a top of the rotation guy. if hes the sweetener that gets us someone good then so be it
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 11:38 AM EDT

    We should be giving Iglesias a full shot at becoming our shortstop for years to come. His hitting is getting better and , by all accounts , he is one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball. Bogaerts can easily convert to third base or left field. The other shortstops in our system have not shown that they are anywhere near being ready.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:15 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    We should be giving Iglesias a full shot at becoming our shortstop for years to come. His hitting is getting better and , by all accounts , he is one of the best defensive shortstops in baseball. Bogaerts can easily convert to third base or left field. The other shortstops in our system have not shown that they are anywhere near being ready.
    Posted by dgalehouse


    C'mon Ike....by "getting better" I take it you mean his MiLB OPS is up to a pathetic .624 (lower than Punto's MLB OPS, btw) from a disgraceful .554 in 2011?  And by "all accounts" I take it you've never watched him play a single game?

    You want to give him the keys to the car based on "less disgraceful offense than before" and "stuff I've heard about his defense"?  In what world does that make any sense at all?
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:16 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    In Response to Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher : Jose Iglesias currently has limited trade value as a defensively gifted but offensively challenged shortstop who will earn more than $2 million as a 23-year-old in 2013. Most franchises already have defensively adept shortstop prospects who struggle at the plate.
    Posted by hill55
    More reason to play him every day/rest of the way !!!!
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:20 PM EDT

    Classic case of totally overrating a Sox prospect.
    This isn't Bogaerts, it's a one dimnsional player, we're talking about,
    with major questions as to his hitting ability.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:22 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher : C'mon Ike....by "getting better" I take it you mean his MiLB OPS is up to a pathetic .624 (lower than Punto's MLB OPS, btw) from a disgraceful .554 in 2011?  And by "all accounts" I take it you've never watched him play a single game? You want to give him the keys to the car based on "less disgraceful offense than before" and "stuff I've heard about his defense"?  In what world does that make any sense at all?
    Posted by SonicsMonksLyresVicars


    For Iglesias I'd forget about the SLG part of OPS.  I don't care if he never hits a HR in his MLB career - I just don't want him to be an automatic out, and then play every inning in the field.  As such, a .318 OBP, up from .285, is nice progress, and has been improving.  I'd hold onto him, as he alone will not get you anything that can help this club.

     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:35 PM EDT

    In Response to Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    (Or even second-line) This crying about "over-worked" doesn't wash. The "pen" was lousy in April, and they sure were not over worked then! They are simply not very good. period.
    Posted by bosoxmal


    Iggy is not worth that much to any club until he shows some consistency at the plate.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:40 PM EDT

    Iggy for a FL pitcher?  DONE!

    2013 Middy at 3rd, Ciriaco at SS, Pedey at 2nd, & ___________ at first.  Done!

    Ells in CF, Ross in RF, _____________  anbody's better than CC in LF.  Good!

    Add a FL pitcher?  YES!
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:41 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    In Response to Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher : Iggy is not worth that much to any club until he shows some consistency at the plate.
    Posted by craze4sox


    Ahhhh!  There in lies the rub.


     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:42 PM EDT

    Definitely trade him, he's overhyped in my opinion. I'm comfortable with Ciriaco until Boegarts develops... he's the real shortstop of the future. Trade Iglesias before his stock declines.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:44 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher : More reason to play him every day/rest of the way !!!!
    Posted by Bill-806


    What?  & PROVE he can't hit MLB pitching??? 

     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:58 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher : For Iglesias I'd forget about the SLG part of OPS.  I don't care if he never hits a HR in his MLB career - I just don't want him to be an automatic out, and then play every inning in the field.  As such, a .318 OBP, up from .285, is nice progress, and has been improving.  I'd hold onto him, as he alone will not get you anything that can help this club.
    Posted by slomag


    I agree....he's seems to be making slow but steady progress and he's not 23 until January.  I'm not giving up at all, I just think it's absurd to rush him into a job where he will probably miserably fail at the offensive part.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 1:59 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher : What?  & PROVE he can't hit MLB pitching??? 
    Posted by redsoxdirtdog


    It's Bill, ignore him.
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 3:22 PM EDT

    No one would give up a good starter for Iggy.  He has a 306 slugging percentage and a 624 OPS at AAA.

    I am sure people would be lining up to trade a front line starter for that.  
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 5:21 PM EDT

    Well, what ever they do with him, they certainly have found a gold nugget in Pedro, and he's got one of the infield jobs, hands down!
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 5:26 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    Definitely trade him, he's overhyped in my opinion. I'm comfortable with Ciriaco until Boegarts develops... he's the real shortstop of the future. Trade Iglesias before his stock declines.
    Posted by Bisson1


    The problem is that his stock is already low and really cant go too much lower... as to getting a front line or even a #3 starter? Never gonna happen... he cant even make it up to the big leagues so how does anyone give the sox anything for him?
     

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    Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher

    posted at 8/26/2012 5:28 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher:
    In Response to Re: Jose Iglesias for a front line pitcher : I agree....he's seems to be making slow but steady progress and he's not 23 until January.  I'm not giving up at all, I just think it's absurd to rush him into a job where he will probably miserably fail at the offensive part.
    Posted by SonicsMonksLyresVicars


    I think we should keep Iggy and Ciriaco at SS all next season just like Salty and Lav at catcher to see what we have.  I'm not convinced Bogaerts will be a SS but will definately break our lineup somewhere.