Re: Josh and Jon are OUTSTANDING!
posted at 5/10/2011 9:24 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Josh and Jon are OUTSTANDING!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Josh and Jon are OUTSTANDING! : Firstly John Lacking isnt our 4th of 5th starter, hes our 2nd starter after Lester. So your whole argument is torpedoed right there Also for you wins, losses and ERA dont count. Its the p[ercentage of games that they arent abosultely mauled thats important? You didnt provide any back up to your argument of how many teams have a 2nd and a 5th starters who are atrocious 25% of the time. So why bother even bringing up your stupid stats if theres nothing to compare them with? And explain to me how your new key stats of % of awful perfomances works with hitters too. No reason it should be different i assume.
Posted by jamesey271975[/QUOTE]
Do you really think Lackey is the No. 2 starter? Based on what? The fact that he started the second game of the season? Based on salary? Your simple-mindedness is pathetic.
Lester, Beckett and Buchholz are the top three. If the playoffs started now, that's the
You're drivel at the end of this post shows now sense at all and has nothing to do with my point that it's not worth addressing.
How is it you can't understand a simple point — Lackey and DiceK are the No. 4 and No. 5 starters and they've pitched well in 8 of 12 starts? Why is that such a controversial statement with you? It's there in black and white.
I'm saying that's a good ratio for the last two starters on a staff, even if they are atrocious 25 percent of the time. For example, the Angels have had three pitchers combine for the 4-5 spots and in 12 starts, they've had 7 good starts, and fewer lights-out starts, and five horrible starts. And they're in first place. Most teams likely would be even worse.
And you're right -- wins and losses don't mean a lot in this argument. Beckett got no-decision last night. Are you trying to tell me that he didn't have a great game just because he didn't get the W.
AS for ERA, it can be very deceiving in a short sample. Who would you rather have, Pitcher A or Pitcher B:
7 IP, 1ER
8 IP, 2 ER
7 IP, 0 ER
5 IP, 7 ER
3 IP, 8 ER
30 IP, 18 ER 5.40 ERA
9 IP, 0 R
8 IP, 4 R
5 IP, 5 R
8 IP, 4 R
5 IP, 5 R
35 IP, 18 R 4.62 ERA
Who would you rather have. Pitcher A who was lights out in three starts and horrible in two or Pitcher B who was great once, bad twice and mediocre twice.
I'd rather have Pitcher A even though his ERA is higher. I think it's very important the percentage of times a pitcher can go out and give his team a chance to win.