Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd. : So you are saying it was the beer and not the sprained ankle?
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]
    A real question. Did Beckett or any close to the team say "it" was the sprained ankle"?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd. : A real question. Did Beckett or any close to the team say "it" was the sprained ankle"?
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

    Guys like Beckett don't use injuries as an excuse.  Plus it's a lose-lose for him.  He slipped off the mound, got taken out of a game where he was pitching a shutout, missed two starts, in a season where he was the 2nd best pitcher in BB until that point.  I think it's a reasonable conclusion that he was hurt.

    Youk hit .209 in August, and .167 in September.  Maybe it was just coincidence, but more than likely it was related to his injury.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd. : Guys like Beckett don't use injuries as an excuse.  Plus it's a lose-lose for him.  He slipped off the mound, got taken out of a game where he was pitching a shutout, missed two starts, in a season where he was the 2nd best pitcher in BB until that point.  I think it's a reasonable conclusion that he was hurt. Youk hit .209 in August, and .167 in September.  Maybe it was just coincidence, but more than likely it was related to his injury.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]
    Beckett didn't have to say anything. No one else said a word, like, "He's working with a tender ankle." I don't recall anyone calling the injury a "sprain." Pitchers rarely come back in 8 to 10 days from a sprain.  I seem to recall that Beckett's removal from that game was called "a preventive measure."When he returned to the rotation, he and others had decided that he was good to go. He was probably working with an ankle brace and tape. A real problem would have shown early if he hadn't been good to go. No one said that he was removed from games because his ankle was acting up or was in any way affecting his delivery.  

     
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    If Beckett does anything short of 210 innings, 16 wins, and era under 3.8, and an average of 7.1 innings per start I will be greatly dissapointed.
     
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    According to Beckett, if "it should stay in the clubhouse" would have meant this Union boss would have another cooler full of clubhouse beer for his 17M on a year off a year Red Sox career.
     
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    Once InEpstein paid up early for Beckett, when he could have waited and signed him for a lot less money, I knew the entertainment business rugrat was totally incompetent.
     
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    Yes Beckett was rewarded for what he might do in the future, and thus far he has not earned any of it.  A soft era cushioned by less innings per start and countless lost minutes in between pitches.
     
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    Players have no business in the clubhouse during a game. Their business is on the field of play even when they are not on it. If they are bored watching baseball, maybe they should switch to watching cage-fighting. Or, better still, take it up. Players often say that they are "fans" too. Fans like to see baseball players in action. Players have a great view. Where they can learn something. And help if there is a brawl. 
    Some posters have said that "it" only happened a couple or three times. Why did it happen at all? Because Terry and Theo allowed it to happen. Once was too many. 
    Players come to a ballpark to work. In baseball, "work" has many sides and applications. They should stay at work until the workday is finished.
     
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    [QUOTE]Yes Beckett was rewarded for what he might do in the future, and thus far he has not earned any of it.  A soft era cushioned by less innings per start and countless lost minutes in between pitches.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Doesn't that apply to just about every contract in baseball?
     
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    It does indeed... my post is just more of the same I know. 
     
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    What a crazy thread,  stuff coming from all over the place.  DFA, discraced pitchers, even a Tony Eason reference...All I know is this.  Beckett probably isn't going anywhere.  He is a  proven commodity in the AL East and has basically been a workhorse for the RS.  Unlike many National League pitchers coming to the American League, he made it work.  Put his butt out there and make him face the music.  Make him pitch, make him work.  The RS are not going to DFA him, they are not going to be able to trade that contract.  Bobby V and the new pitching coach are going to have to figure what makes him tick, what his goals are and make sure he lives up to his end of it all.

     
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    You just don't DFA a player making $15.75MM for the next 3 years.    Better off to take the chance that Beckett's attitude might change.   
     
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    Beckett was good until he got fat. The fans pay a premium and deserve the best a player can do. Where can Beckett get this kind of money. If you don't like it, don't go to the games. It's that simple. You fans control everything!
     
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    [QUOTE]Beckett was good until he got fat. The fans pay a premium and deserve the best a player can do. Where can Beckett get this kind of money. If you don't like it, don't go to the games. It's that simple. You fans control everything!
    Posted by jeffory[/QUOTE]

    So are you saying Beckett got fat somewhere in between August and September?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd. : Beckett didn't have to say anything. No one else said a word, like, "He's working with a tender ankle." I don't recall anyone calling the injury a "sprain." Pitchers rarely come back in 8 to 10 days from a sprain.  I seem to recall that Beckett's removal from that game was called "a preventive measure."When he returned to the rotation, he and others had decided that he was good to go. He was probably working with an ankle brace and tape. A real problem would have shown early if he hadn't been good to go. No one said that he was removed from games because his ankle was acting up or was in any way affecting his delivery.  
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/6933105/boston-red-sox-josh-beckett-leaves-fourth-injury

    There.  Someone called it a sprain.

    And pitchers rarely do come back from ankle sprains in 8-10 (or 11 in this case)  days.  Know why? Because they are less likely to be effective, opening the door for the media and fans to speculate anything else lead to the downfall...
     
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    Re: Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd.

    The OP fails to realize human nature.

    If Beckett is sent packing what are the odds the replacement is different?

    When the talent becomes evident at 3 to 14 years old, the adults modify their behaviour around the golden child.  It doesn't always happen but imagine how Beckett, Tiger, Williams sisters, Kobe, Wayne Rooney,.....were treated as kids with future wealth and fame almost assured.

    Anyone who has spent time with pro athletes  knows that a large number of them have...


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  18. Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or abilities by adults
  19. Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
  20. Over-indulgence and overvaluation by parents
  21. Unpredictable or unreliable care giving from parents
  22. Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
 
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    Georom tantrum thread for Red Sox disappointing him last September. Everyone else is over it but little boy George Romero still needs to scapegoat. The other possible reason for his charade is that he wants attention badly so he has on his bash Beckett troll hat. If that is the case then you should ignore him since he is just toying with you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd. : Beckett didn't have to say anything. No one else said a word, like, "He's working with a tender ankle." I don't recall anyone calling the injury a "sprain." Pitchers rarely come back in 8 to 10 days from a sprain.  I seem to recall that Beckett's removal from that game was called "a preventive measure."When he returned to the rotation, he and others had decided that he was good to go. He was probably working with an ankle brace and tape. A real problem would have shown early if he hadn't been good to go. No one said that he was removed from games because his ankle was acting up or was in any way affecting his delivery.  
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

    Without knowing, we basically don't know how his ankle felt on that first start.  Missing two starts is a clear admission that he was hurt.  Past that, everything else is speculation.  It's just that, imho, if a player comes back from an injury and doesn't play to their potential, I think it's reasonable to assume the injury is bothering him.  

    There can't really be a whole lot of doubt about that.  I assume Lackey and Dice were both pitching with bad arms since they both had operations.
     
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    [QUOTE]Yes Beckett was rewarded for what he might do in the future, and thus far he has not earned any of it.  A soft era cushioned by less innings per start and countless lost minutes in between pitches.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    2.89 is not a soft ERA.

    And seconds per pitch doesn't appear in fangraphs.

    What's next, you don't like his facial hair?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Josh Buckett is a Disgrace and should be DFA'd. : http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/6933105/boston-red-sox-josh-beckett-leaves-fourth-injury There.  Someone called it a sprain. And pitchers rarely do come back from ankle sprains in 8-10 (or 11 in this case)  days.  Know why? Because they are less likely to be effective, opening the door for the media and fans to speculate anything else lead to the downfall...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, it's not a sprain if you don't like the pitcher.

    If you do like the pitcher, it's called playing with pain and leading by example.
     
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    Oh okay. Now we all know it was Carls wrist that caused him to fall on his face all 2011. 
     
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    Go easy on Burrito. He is passionately trying to emulate Georom in the hope that he can liven up a boring forum. One must not fault Burrito for being lonely and bored and he will do anything to stir the pot. His good buddies Yazzer and Babe have departed to Troll Heaven and Andrewmitch, Bosox1941 and Softlaw have become feeble. Harness and Harv51 are playing the horses. The Groundhog predicts four more weeks of Wakefield, Beckett, Chicken, and Beer threads until Andrewmitch returns with a refined bash Crawful routine.
     
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    So we had a bad year and some things didn't go the way they are suppose to and some guys acted like they were bigger than the team.  That was last year.  We are starting a new year and Beckett should be judged on how he performs on and off the mound this year.
     
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    It is very likely that the OP of this topic has never been involved in any team activity to make the statement he is making. Just because someone buys a ticket and supports the team doesn't give them rights to know everything about the players OFF THE FIELD. So beckett is right, like any family, what goes on behind closed doors stays there.

    How easy it is for some people to scapegoat beer and chicken into the reason for the team's collapse...diverting the truth of the matter that injuries to Youkilis and Beckett himself, as well as poor performances by just about everyone,  except Ellsbury, was the true reason this team failed in 2011.

    So another one of the 'bite my nose to spite my face' crew wants to DFA Beckett for speaking the truth about one of team sports unwritten rules. To mention Beckett and Manny Ramirez, the quitting PED user, in the same breath is reason enough to understand the OP is clueless.






     
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