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June 6, 1944

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    OK ... moving right along ...
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    In Response to Re: June 6, 1944 : Your welcome Lloyd and I really appreciate it. my generation coming back from south east asia wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms. The vets from ww2,korea and now the middle east got the kind of welcome home that we never did, however, that said, times have changed quite a bit and alot of folks that see my viet-nam veteran ball cap will say thank you to me and also welcome home which is kind of nice.
    Posted by Hammah29r2

    Hammah - Its is a crying shame that so much venom and inhumanity was directed at yourself and all the men and women who made it home from southeast asia.  You deserved nothing but love and admiration for everything you gave.  But, as you point out, times have changed, and people honor your service.  You have my utmost respect.
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    Great OP Half of the houses on my street in Newcastle, England have a different look because they were bombed to pieces.   Many of the children were evacuated to places away from the docks for the entire War.  Not only did this country pay a huge price in lives and treasure, but the average family up north here waited 20 years after the war for indoor toilets or even a banana.  The burden this country faced after the War has surprised me having grown up at school that was state of the art, etc....   I work with older folk and I hear stories about how shocked they are by what is taken for granted now.  Almost all the British old enough to remember the War, are quick to thank America for the support. 
    Posted by tom-uk

    As an American veteran, I have the greatest respect for all of our armed forces personnel, past and present. I served at the tail end of the Vietnam Conflict -can't say where -  cuz we were never there ;)
    My step dad and several uncles were WWII vets, and my grandfather made it through the first World War, only to fall in the second. I have always been fascinated by the history of the Great Wars, and it is my specialty area as a History teacher.
    I am very proud of what Americans accomplished during WWII, but there is also a special place in my heart for the civilians of England who weathered the Battle of Britain, along with the civilian populations of the occupied nations. Many of them were great heroes, too.
    The gap between what sportswriters and fans think they know and what well-trained coaches truly know is wider in the NFL than in any other sport.
    Hi Mark!
    like you I am very facinated with the history of the wars fought from 1812 up to the present. My favorite is the civil war. before I got married I took about a month off and went down south to visit some of the more famous battlefields. what a terrible waste of human life man. I got quite an education. gawd how I miss that motorcycle.
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    Thanks Spaceman from the bottom of my heart for that. there's alot of fellahs living at the VA Hospital up in west roxbury that I will pass that along to when I go up there to see an old friend.
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    My English teacher lived through the Nazi bombings of London. Lived in the dark, but was brilliant, wise and enlightened. She was a great American.
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    It is almost impossible to imagine what it must have been like on that day. The courage of those men was truly awe inspiring. We can never thank them enough.
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    Thanks comes with respect for the hard work values they held.
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    From Baseball In Wartime:

    Baseball in World War II

    by Gary Bedingfield
    At the outbreak of the European conflict in 1939, the majority of Americans favored neutrality. There was little desire to become involved in a European problem, and in any case, the nation's fighting force was totally unprepared to do so. At that time, the ill-equipped Army totaled a meager 240,000 men, while the fledgling Army Air Corps operated with obsolete airplanes and fewer than 20,000 personnel. Only the United States Navy could hold its head high with a Pacific Fleet of 82 warships.

    Nevertheless, as the Japanese began to fulfill their territorial ambitions in the Pacific and war clouds loomed, the United States prepared to defend itself. The first stage towards increasing the nation's fighting force was the Selective Training and Service Act, or draft, signed by President Roosevelt on September 16, 1940. Every American male between the ages of 21 and 36 was required to register for 12 months of military service "to ensure the independence and freedom of the United States." The draft put nearly two million men in uniform by the end of 1941 - it was the greatest defense program in the history of the nation.

    The draft affected every profession, and baseball was no exception. In 1941, major league baseball was at its zenith, enjoying a momentous year. Ted Williams batted .406, Joe DiMaggio hit safely in 56 consecutive games, 41-year-old Lefty Grove got his 300th career win, and Dodgers' catcher Mickey Owen was forever immortalized for mishandling a pitch that cost Brooklyn the World Series. Meanwhile, baseball bid a resounding farewell to the first two players to enter military service.

    Hank GreenbergHolding the distinction of being the first major league regular to be drafted in World War II, Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy - a veteran with the Philadelphia Phillies - was inducted on March 8, 1941, and reported to Camp Devens, Massachusetts. The 27-year-old right-hander earned his nickname by losing 76 games between 1937 and 1940 as a starter with the senior circuit's perennial basement team. Mulcahy proudly told The Sporting News, "My losing streak is over for the duration ... I'm on a winning team now."

    Detroit Slugger Hank Greenberg, a celebrated star of the time and future Hall of Famer, received his draft call on May 7, 1941. "Hammerin' Hank" had played in three World Series and two all-star games - he hit 58 home runs in 1938 (just two short of Babe Ruth's 1927 record) and was the American League's Most Valuable Player in 1940. Greenberg gave up his $55,000 yearly salary for $21 per month Army pay and reported to Fort Custer, Michigan. He told The Sporting News, "If there's any last message to be given to the public, let it be that I'm going to be a good soldier."

    Likewise, minor league baseball's vast manpower pool responded to the nation's call to arms. Billy Southworth Jr, an outfielder with the Toronto Maple Leafs and son of the St Louis Cardinals' manager, was one of the first professional ballplayers to enter military service by voluntarily enlisting in the Army Air Corps in December 1940. "I think it's my duty to enlist because they're going to need us," Southworth had confided to his father earlier in the year. "My baseball career can wait."

    Despite the deteriorating international situation, these one-year draftees hoped peace would prevail and allow them to return to civilian life. But during the early hours of Sunday, December 7, 1941, that peace was violently shattered. The Japanese surprise aerial attack that rained terror on Pearl Harbor and sunk or damaged 18 warships of the United States Pacific Fleet marked, with an authoritative stamp, America's entry into World War II.

    Pearl Harbor saw the nation besieged in a wave of overwhelming patriotism followed by an immediate rush to enlist. On December 9, Hank Greenberg, at 30 years old, re-enlisted after having been discharged from the Army under a new law releasing draftees 28 or older from duty. He admitted "this doubtless means I'm finished with baseball."

    Like Greenberg, Cleveland's 23-year-old pitching sensation, Bob Feller, rushed to enlist as soon as he heard the news of the bombing. Feller joined the United States Navy and served as a chief petty officer aboard the battleship Alabama in the Pacific.
    Hitler's declaration of war against the United States on December 11 merely fueled the enthusiasm. Industrial giants responded with a roar, and factories, workshops, mills and mines swung into action. The vast automobile industry switched to the production of military vehicles, turning out a steady stream of trucks, Jeeps, tanks and airplanes, while manufacturers, more accustomed to handling refrigerators and vacuum cleaners, turned their straight-line production techniques to the manufacture of ammunition, guns and other essential war commodities. Even manufacturers of sporting goods equipment contributed to the war effort. Hillerich & Bradsby, makers of the famous Louisville Slugger baseball bats, turned their wood-turning skills to the production of stocks for the M1 carbine rifle. Within months of Pearl Harbor, America was impressively living up to the pledge it had given to become the "Arsenal of Democracy."

    But would baseball survive the war? America's entrance into World War I had ended the 1918 baseball season on September 2, and only the armistice agreement saved the following season. Fears that the war would jeopardize baseball again in 1942, however, were quashed when President Roosevelt, in response to a direct plea from baseball's ruling head, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, sent his now famous January 15 "Green Light" letter. Roosevelt said, "I honestly feel that it would be best for the country to keep baseball going" and added that he would like to see more night games that hard-working people could attend. Roosevelt also noted that baseball could provide entertainment for at least 20 million people, and added that although the quality of the teams might be lowered by the greater use of older players replacing young men going into military service, this would not dampen the popularity of the sport.
    But, although players were enlisting or being drafted into the armed forces from the beginning, their existed an undertone of displeasure towards seemingly fit men participating in sports and apparently evading military duties. Some thought baseball squandered manpower and should be shut down for the duration. In hindsight, this attitude is understandable, but there is little doubt that for the overwhelming majority baseball was a major  morale booster throughout the war years. In response to the negative undertones, The Sporting News took it upon themselves, in April 1942, to ask servicemen for their view on the situation - should baseball continue while they fight and perhaps die for democracy and freedom? An abundance of replies besieged the offices of The Sporting News in St Louis strongly backing the President's directive to keep baseball going. Private John E Stevenson, based at Fort Dix, New Jersey, wrote, "Baseball is part of the American way of life. Remove it and you remove something from the lives of American citizens, soldiers and sailors." Private Clifford P Mansfield at Fort Knox, Kentucky reiterated, "For the morale of the soldier and the morale of America itself, 'keep 'em playing'."

    More than 500 major league players swapped flannels for khakis during World War II, and such well-known players as Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams served their nation off the diamond. The minor leagues, formerly a veritable oasis of baseball talent, were seriously affected by the manpower shortage with 4,076 players seeing military service. On a daily basis, talent was drained from the game as promising young athletes who had spent summers developing their athletic skills were plucked from baseball diamonds all across the country and taught to fly planes, shoot weapons and maneuver tanks. No more than 12 minor leagues survived during the war years compared to 44 circuits that operated in 1940.

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    My English teacher lived through the Nazi bombings of London. Lived in the dark, but was brilliant, wise and enlightened. She was a great American.

    my english teacher back in high school turned out to be a decorated ww2 P-51 fighter pilot that was also an ace. I found this out when I had a paper that was over due and he invited me to drop it off at his house. he lived local in my town. I knocked on the door and his wife answered. she said he was upstairs and that I could wait in the den. on the walls were framed photo's and news paper clippings and my funny grey haired portly english teacher standing next to his P-51 Mustang with May 1944 on it when he was about 25. he told me something that I never realized about the war. he said he had two sets of dogtags. one origional set that had his name on it, and another set he would use if he were shot down over enemy territory. why two sets you say, well if your a jewish fighter pilot you don't want the enemy finding that out he said.
    the things you find out about folks.
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    My dad was there as well, it's true that they were the greatest generation ever.

    Great post!
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    SoxSoldRed is so wrong about generations, all of whom have had hedonists, ne'er-do wells, etc.  And the older generations have been saying what he says for thousands of years.  Methinks he believes we should go back to the caves--atavism run amuck. 
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    max is wrong about the values of today and the values of the Greatest Generation. The values of hedonists are not just some of the people of a generation, they are the tenets of the leaders of an entire dacadent generation.

    The Great Society is the most decadent society in American history because it is a tenet of the visions of old socialist public policy propaganda.

    Great American story, and the P-51 Mustang was great American ingenuity.
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    Just looked up 12 O' high don't think I have. I'm more into the WWII books than the movies, but I like both.  I met Anthony Beevor who wrote Berlin and also Stalingrad, great reads.
    Posted by tom-uk

    I'll have to check out those books. I love books on WWII (history in general). Like good WWII movies too -- all types.

    "12 O'Clock High" was a great movie.
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    Those kids had unbelievable courage!
    Posted by jimdavis

    This is so true.

    One of the books I read on D-Day was an eye-opener about what was involved for the first ones who landed and the first who scaled the war. It was brutal. 

    Those soldiers on the first days of the landing were indeed made of a special kind of courage.
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    My great uncle was living WWI history.
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    Hammah, Thanks for your wonderful post! My family served in every War up until the gulf war! Not many of us men left (about 5 to be precise) but im sure all 5 of us would go toe to toe with any enemy of our great country if needed, we may need extra bathroom breaks lol. BTW I do mean every war as my ancestors came from the Mayflower and many more were immigrants to this wonderful land. I was fortunate enough to have time with two wonderful uncle's who fought in Korea. I asked often, but they would never speak, I could see tears well in their eyes when I asked. I hope I can live long enough to see the day when we no longer lose our brothers in arms!
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    As a former Marine Officer, Viet Nam, and a patriot I do not wish to poke fun at war, especially on this critical day which turned the tide vs. the Nazis.  So, Mea Culpa, I do not wish to offend those with family who lost their loved ones in WW2 but I wished, hopefully, to put a smile on some faces with the following Passport story. I have visited Normandy and it brought goosebumps and tears as I saw white crosses as far as the eyes could see---it was an awesomely sad experience ! Even heard some comments from local French that many citizens were killed---it's called the casualty of war. I mean we needed to tell the French citizens to evacuate the beaches without the Germans knowing…impossible !!!

    On Iwo Jima, the Japanese soldiers defended the island as if it were their homeland and the American forces sustained more casualties then they did during the invasion of Normandy. At Okinawa, 110,000 Japanese soldiers lost their lives as did 100,000 Japanese civilians. The US Navy lost 10,000 lives due to kamikaze attacks. The US Marines and Army lost more than 50,000 men each. The loss of lives in these battles were enormous, but it would pale in comparison to an Allied invasion of the Japanese homeland which was main reason for the A-Bomb decision.

    American in Paris...

    Harvey, an elderly American absentmindedly arrived at French immigration at Charles de Gaulle airport, Paris and fumbled for his passport.

    'You have been to France before Monsieur?' the official asked in an aggressive tone.

    Harvey, smiled and admitted that he had been to France before.

    'In that case you should know enough to have your passport ready for inspection,' barked the bad-tempered officer.

    Harvey gently informed the man that the last time he came to France he did not have to show his passport or any other documents.

    'Pas possible, old man. You Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in 'la belle France.'

    Harvey gave the Frenchman a long hard look. 'I assure you, young man, that when I came ashore on Omaha Beach in Normandy on D-Day

    in 1944, there was no damned Frenchman on the beach asking for passports.'

    TOUCHE'....the above is not to minimize all the brave French partisans, without whose assistance, the war would have lasted longer. I'm of Italian decent and my Father lost 3 brothers who fought with the partisans in Italy vs. the Nazis after Italy, fortunately, surrended. Losing Italy too started the Axis downfall as Germany's underbelly was no longer protected.
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    From Bleacher Report:


    No matter whether he was called "The Kid," "The Splendid Splinter," "Teddy Ballgame," or "The Thumper," one thing was certain—Ted Williams was arguably the greatest pure hitter in the history of the game.

    Williams enjoyed a phenomenal career that spanned 19 seasons, but it was twice put on hold to serve in the U.S. military. He first enlisted in the Navy to serve in World War II in 1942 and did not return to baseball until 1946.

    Then, at the age of 34, he was recalled to active duty in the Korean War. This time he served as a pilot in the Marines and received an "Air Medal" for a heroic act in battle.

    While on the baseball diamond, Williams accumulated recognitions like base hits during a batting streak. Besides earning All-Star honors 19 times, he won five Major League Player of the Year Awards, two AL MVPs, and two AL Triple Crowns.

    The Boston Red Sox left fielder batted .344 (eighth) with a .482 OBP (first) and .634 SLG (second) over his career. Williams spanked 521 HRs (18th) and drove in 1,839 RBI (13th) to place high in the career rankings, but had he not given away five years to serve his country he undoubtedly would have placed much higher.

    Perhaps his best season was 1941 when he hit a league best .406 and 37 HRs to go with an incredible .553 OBP and .735 SLG. For his efforts, though, he placed second to Joe DiMaggio in the MVP voting.

    7706 1798 2654 521 1839 24 .344 .482 .634

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    bellow, well said, and a simple thanks for an unpaid debt of gratitude for your service. My brother-in-law is a Vietnam veteran, 1966, and still applies his military training as a civilian helicopter pilot. Never talks about any war stories, but my sister (from family counseling) has shared a few intensely poignant ones.

    My uncle was killed by a Kamikaze pilot. During Vietnam, we lost 9 young men from a town with a population of around 200 people. 9 tall pines now stand, saplings planted by our town in front of the memorial to them. The bravery is in answering the call to duty, and is the ultimate in patriotism. I salute all of our patriots, the very best people among us.
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    Amen to all of the above. To see fabulous programs on WWII, check the Military Channel, especially the following series:

    WWII in Color
    Greatest Tank Battles
    Hitler's Bodyguard

    As far as movies not mentioned above:

    The Story of GI Joe*
    In Which We Serve (British)
    Rome, Open City (Italian)*
    The Guns of Navarone
    The Big Red One
    Casablanca + Schindler's List (Of course)*
    Mrs. Minerva
    Europa, Europa + Hiroshima, Mon Amour (French)
    The Great Dictator
    Fires In The Plain (Japanese)
    The Train
    The Cranes are Flying + My Name is Ivan + Stalingrad (Russian)
    The Pianist
    Downfall + Das Boot + Heimat (German)
    Kanal + Ashes & Diamonds (Polish)
    Au revoir les infant + Army of Shadows (French)
    The Best Years of Our Lives + From Here to Eternity
    The Bridge on the River Kwai
    Stalag 17
    Garden of the Finzi Contini + A Man Escaped (French)
    Life is Beautiful (Italian)
    The Shop On Main Street* + Closely Watched Trains (Czech)

    Post WW2--
    The Third Man*
    The Searchers
    Judgement at Nuremberg
    The Pawnbroker

    Korea --
    The Steel Helmet

    Paths of Glory*
    The Grand Illusion (French)*
    All Quiet on the Western Front (Original)

    Civil War-

    Vietnam -
    The Deer Hunter
    Apocalypse Now* (Redux)

    I highlighted the notable ones IMO.
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    I am sure that Garcia2, Hurtlocker, DeerHunter, agree with your movie selection.
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    I am sure that Garcia2, Hurtlocker, DeerHunter, agree with your movie selection.
    Posted by Your-Echo

    Pike, you need to either

    1) Swallow a bunch of maturity pills for desecrating this thread
    2) Go to troll school if you don't perform #1.
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    It was 67 years ago today that the greatest armarda in naval history invaded the shores of france in what was to be called the longest day. My dad was a then 21 year old sergeant that was a left waist gunner on a B-24 Liberator that had a bombing mission that day. I started this thread to pay homage to those brave veterans of WW2 that made the ultimate sacrifice that day and especially to the 101st Airborne Div and the 82nd Airborne Div who were major contributors to that battle and never stopped or faltered to bring victory in europe in 1945. My God Bless them all.
    Posted by Hammah29r2

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    On June 6th 1944 a 18 year old Yogi Berra piloted a 36 foot rocket boat ahead of the landings troops on Normandy Beach. They provided firing cover for the troops going ashore.