June the 6th 1944

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    Baseicly, we should all get ghost writers.  Try fourteen years.

     
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    Baseicly, we should all get ghost writers.  Try fourteen years.

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    Yeah, but the black guy's been there for 6 years. Bill is not color blind.

     
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    My thought is that most soldiers enlist with the idea they are going off to help those in need, to save the good in the world. Once Germany was defeated and all the atrocities they had committed revealed each of our soldiers could sit down, look in the mirror, and say they did the right thing by fighting in this war. 


     


     


     


    In other wars the soldiers ideals are the same as those that swam through blood to make it to the beach in June 1944 but by the time it is over they cannot always look at themselves in the mirror and believe they had served a just cause. It is not their fault, and I would imagine it would be devastating to their psyche and their core beliefs.


     


     


     


    Soldiers are never to be scorned so long as they themselves served with dignity...... the leaders that sent them there are another matter.... WWII was indeed a just cause, and a necessary fight.


     


     


     


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    Thank you for your insightful post. I believe all soldiers irrespective of the campaign who are being shot at because a bullet in Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan can kill as much as one in WW2. I would have volunteered in WW2 because I believed in the cause and I knew there were German subs along the East Coast and Japanese ones in SF Bay. I did not go to Viet Nam because I believed in the cause. Because I am an American and was subject to a draft if I was 1 A I needed go or go to jail. We got home and were spit at and called baby killers because the Viet Cong hid among the civilians and I saw buddies hit and we were still instructed to not openly fire back. Hammah knows how I feel.
    I have special praise for those who serve in the Middle East because there is no draft & I would guess that at least 50% of the population feels we shouldn’t have been there in the first place. I would have a tremendous fear worrying where to walk for fear of mines and also we have trained their Military but what screening have we done to keep Al Qaeda or Taliban out. You can’t turn your back on someone who is supposed to be an ally.


     


     


     



    Mea Culpa but my $.02 on the Middle East is that once we found out that Saddam had no WMD, we should have gotten out of Iraq. The gas he used on his own people, the Kurds, was no danger to us. An egregious act and atrocity yes, but we can’t get involved in all the atrocities of the world. Saddam and we supported him with weapons, did keep IRAN at bay as both side lost millions in WW1 trench style warfare. Saddam also had no link to Osama and did not provide a haven for Al Qaeda.

    Re: Afghanistan. We were rightfully furious after 9/11 so I believe that we needed to go in & get Osama to appease the wounds of the American people & try to abolish the Taliban. We got Osama & the Taliban still exist & Al Qaeda too and we might feel that their terrorists activities have diminished and hopefully so, but we should get out of Afghan…the Communists don’t want it and Russia failed as we are now to conquer it. We, on the other hand say we want them to be democratic. For centuries the tribes have existed and fought among themselves but will unite against a foreign invader as they did against Russia & us. This war which is taking an American life every day and costing us $2 Billion a month is not, in all likelihood, winnable.


    Yup, it’s nice to see that they have more schools open and the women don’t always need wear burkas etc. but the men want the women to be subservient as it has been for centuries. As much as this is not what we believe, what right do we have to make them believe as we do. A democratic change needs come from within the country. Thus, Afghan is no military threat to us so let’s get the hell out & it’s long overdue. And you know what, I don’t think Pakistan would care either.


     


     


     




     
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    My thought is that most soldiers enlist with the idea they are going off to help those in need, to save the good in the world. Once Germany was defeated and all the atrocities they had committed revealed each of our soldiers could sit down, look in the mirror, and say they did the right thing by fighting in this war. 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    In other wars the soldiers ideals are the same as those that swam through blood to make it to the beach in June 1944 but by the time it is over they cannot always look at themselves in the mirror and believe they had served a just cause. It is not their fault, and I would imagine it would be devastating to their psyche and their core beliefs.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Soldiers are never to be scorned so long as they themselves served with dignity...... the leaders that sent them there are another matter.... WWII was indeed a just cause, and a necessary fight.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Thank you for your insightful post. I believe all soldiers irrespective of the campaign who are being shot at because a bullet in Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan can kill as much as one in WW2. I would have volunteered in WW2 because I believed in the cause and I knew there were German subs along the East Coast and Japanese ones in SF Bay. I did not go to Viet Nam because I believed in the cause. Because I am an American and was subject to a draft if I was 1 A I needed go or go to jail. We got home and were spit at and called baby killers because the Viet Cong hid among the civilians and I saw buddies hit and we were still instructed to not openly fire back. Hammah knows how I feel.
    I have special praise for those who serve in the Middle East because there is no draft & I would guess that at least 50% of the population feels we shouldn’t have been there in the first place. I would have a tremendous fear worrying where to walk for fear of mines and also we have trained their Military but what screening have we done to keep Al Qaeda or Taliban out. You can’t turn your back on someone who is supposed to be an ally.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     



    Mea Culpa but my $.02 on the Middle East is that once we found out that Saddam had no WMD, we should have gotten out of Iraq. The gas he used on his own people, the Kurds, was no danger to us. An egregious act and atrocity yes, but we can’t get involved in all the atrocities of the world. Saddam and we supported him with weapons, did keep IRAN at bay as both side lost millions in WW1 trench style warfare. Saddam also had no link to Osama and did not provide a haven for Al Qaeda.

    Re: Afghanistan. We were rightfully furious after 9/11 so I believe that we needed to go in & get Osama to appease the wounds of the American people & try to abolish the Taliban. We got Osama & the Taliban still exist & Al Qaeda too and we might feel that their terrorists activities have diminished and hopefully so, but we should get out of Afghan…the Communists don’t want it and Russia failed as we are now to conquer it. We, on the other hand say we want them to be democratic. For centuries the tribes have existed and fought among themselves but will unite against a foreign invader as they did against Russia & us. This war which is taking an American life every day and costing us $2 Billion a month is not, in all likelihood, winnable.


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Yup, it’s nice to see that they have more schools open and the women don’t always need wear burkas etc. but the men want the women to be subservient as it has been for centuries. As much as this is not what we believe, what right do we have to make them believe as we do. A democratic change needs come from within the country. Thus, Afghan is no military threat to us so let’s get the hell out & it’s long overdue. And you know what, I don’t think Pakistan would care either.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     







    The invasion of Iraq was based on bad timing. The leader of this country was the wrong man at the wrong time. Actually, there wouldn't have been a 'right time' for that moron. Worst,worst,worst president in the history of the United States. The only slugs who liked W. were the idiots, because George made being stupid something to be proud of. His legacy will be that he 'dumbed-down' America to the point where it may never turn around. Btw,  Georgie and his handler, Cheney, should both be in prison for war crimes. I'd become a Yankee fan if I thought that would make it happen.

     
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    Whenever, someone tells me to "thank" a vet, I respond with:

    For what? Are we freer now than we were 25 years ago?

    As for WWI and WW2 Americans were freer before those wars than after them as well.

    Therefore, if these wars weren't for freedom, what where they for?

    Get all that, NSA?

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    Whenever, someone tells me to "thank" a vet, I respond with:

    For what? Are we freer now than we were 25 years ago?

    As for WWI and WW2 Americans were freer before those wars than after them as well.

    Therefore, if these wars weren't for freedom, what where they for?

    Get all that, NSA?

    ...the King of the Rumba Beat...

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    Be careful. You are getting warm.

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     AS FOR THIS JA Cuban Pete?  He sounds like your typical punk arschole kid who just took his first history course at whatever ultra left wing university, or more likely community college, taught by your typical hate America / blame America first nut job whacked out ultra leftist pees of chit prof!  Of course, this ill educated, has to be young man, lapped up every peice of anti-U.S. rhetoric spoon fed to him!  

    "Were we, and the rest of the The Western World more free after WWI & especially WWII?"  Gee!  I just don't know.  So why not ask your French Socialist Europhile prof., as you are clearly too shallow for independent thought.  I wonder whether the Europeans who you no doubt idolize, as they also are now want to balme America first for all the ills of the world, feel about freedom before & after our boys went over and liberated their fathers and grandfathers.  

     

    Please illuminate us with your more enlightened vision of what WWII was all about, as you clearly see what we are all missing.  Since you are clear on just how much less free WWII made us, please help us out here.

    While there is no doubt that Americans are far less free now, as compared to how free we were before WWII, help us out by explaining what WWII was "really about," and the nexus / specific causal factor that war had on making us all "less free."

    Perhaps you could also explain the cause & effect connection between the Slinky and growing problems with race relations?

     
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    Hard to believe that it is 70 years ago today that the greatest armada ever gathered at one time hit the beaches of Normandy to start what was the beginning of the end to the war in Europe. Some of those guys were only 18 years old. My dad's bomb group had a mission that day. To all those WW2 veterans I send out my gratitude and deepest respect for what they endured that day. May God bless them all.

     

     

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    Well said as usual Hammah. Sometimes we need to be reminded of who the real heroes in this world are..and for sure your Dad is right up there..along with others including Steven11's dad. Thanks to all our brave men and women in uniform and especially those who fought in those days protecting the freedoms we enjoy today.

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    Thank you Miscricket for your kind words. I watched the special on the D-day invasion on the history channel in HD. it was brought up earlier that the first 10-15 minutes of saving private ryan was extremely realistic and quite graphic. The Germans were so well dug in that the navel bombardment hardly effected them and the first wave of soldiers to get off the landing craft were total sitting ducks. they were basically cut to pieces under the murderous machine gun fire coming at them. The longest day was also very realistic. On Memorial day I placed over 250 American flags at the grave sites of WW1,ww2,Korea and Viet-Nam veterans that are at rest there at this cemetery where my dad is at rest. I felt totally honored and very humbled thinking about those hero's. I will continue to do this for as long as I am physically capable of doing it.

     
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    Hard to believe that it is 70 years ago today that the greatest armada ever gathered at one time hit the beaches of Normandy to start what was the beginning of the end to the war in Europe. Some of those guys were only 18 years old. My dad's bomb group had a mission that day. To all those WW2 veterans I send out my gratitude and deepest respect for what they endured that day. May God bless them all.

     

     

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    Well said as usual Hammah. Sometimes we need to be reminded of who the real heroes in this world are..and for sure your Dad is right up there..along with others including Steven11's dad. Thanks to all our brave men and women in uniform and especially those who fought in those days protecting the freedoms we enjoy today.

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    Thank you Miscricket for your kind words. I watched the special on the D-day invasion on the history channel in HD. it was brought up earlier that the first 10-15 minutes of saving private ryan was extremely realistic and quite graphic. The Germans were so well dug in that the navel bombardment hardly effected them and the first wave of soldiers to get off the landing craft were total sitting ducks. they were basically cut to pieces under the murderous machine gun fire coming at them. The longest day was also very realistic. On Memorial day I placed over 250 American flags at the grave sites of WW1,ww2,Korea and Viet-Nam veterans that are at rest there at this cemetery where my dad is at rest. I felt totally honored and very humbled thinking about those hero's. I will continue to do this for as long as I am physically capable of doing it.

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    That special was amazing.  Did you watch both part one and part two?  I like how they covered not only the landing but all the d-day objectives including capturing the village so they could take paris.  

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    Hard to believe that it is 70 years ago today that the greatest armada ever gathered at one time hit the beaches of Normandy to start what was the beginning of the end to the war in Europe. Some of those guys were only 18 years old. My dad's bomb group had a mission that day. To all those WW2 veterans I send out my gratitude and deepest respect for what they endured that day. May God bless them all.






     






     






     








    Well said as usual Hammah. Sometimes we need to be reminded of who the real heroes in this world are..and for sure your Dad is right up there..along with others including Steven11's dad. Thanks to all our brave men and women in uniform and especially those who fought in those days protecting the freedoms we enjoy today.




     




     




     







     


     


     


     


    Thank you Miscricket for your kind words. I watched the special on the D-day invasion on the history channel in HD. it was brought up earlier that the first 10-15 minutes of saving private ryan was extremely realistic and quite graphic. The Germans were so well dug in that the navel bombardment hardly effected them and the first wave of soldiers to get off the landing craft were total sitting ducks. they were basically cut to pieces under the murderous machine gun fire coming at them. The longest day was also very realistic. On Memorial day I placed over 250 American flags at the grave sites of WW1,ww2,Korea and Viet-Nam veterans that are at rest there at this cemetery where my dad is at rest. I felt totally honored and very humbled thinking about those hero's. I will continue to do this for as long as I am physically capable of doing it.


     


     


     




    That special was amazing.  Did you watch both part one and part two?  I like how they covered not only the landing but all the d-day objectives including capturing the village so they could take paris.  


     


     


     


    That generation never ceases to amaze me!


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    IN bad weather no less; if you haven't seen the old flick The Longest Day, I highly recommend; sample dialogue;


    Nazi Soldier In Pill Box at Normandy on field telephone, in German - The Allies are Here!


    General - How many?


    Soldier - All of Them!


    Later on ..


    Field Marshall - I have a bottle of cognac I've been saving for a special occassion; I guess now's as good a time as any


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    There is also the famous scene where Red Buttons is a parachutist stuck in a church ceiling with the Church Bells going off


    One of many dated aspects - When Eddie Albert gets killed, it's instant and bloodless; not of the Saving Private Ryan ilk ... Also John Wayne is miscast, playing himself rather than a genuine officer; Robert Ryan, however, is great; and the actor playing Rommel in the prologue is a can't miss.

     
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    Hard to believe that it is 70 years ago today that the greatest armada ever gathered at one time hit the beaches of Normandy to start what was the beginning of the end to the war in Europe. Some of those guys were only 18 years old. My dad's bomb group had a mission that day. To all those WW2 veterans I send out my gratitude and deepest respect for what they endured that day. May God bless them all.

     

     

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    Well said as usual Hammah. Sometimes we need to be reminded of who the real heroes in this world are..and for sure your Dad is right up there..along with others including Steven11's dad. Thanks to all our brave men and women in uniform and especially those who fought in those days protecting the freedoms we enjoy today.

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    Thank you Miscricket for your kind words. I watched the special on the D-day invasion on the history channel in HD. it was brought up earlier that the first 10-15 minutes of saving private ryan was extremely realistic and quite graphic. The Germans were so well dug in that the navel bombardment hardly effected them and the first wave of soldiers to get off the landing craft were total sitting ducks. they were basically cut to pieces under the murderous machine gun fire coming at them. The longest day was also very realistic. On Memorial day I placed over 250 American flags at the grave sites of WW1,ww2,Korea and Viet-Nam veterans that are at rest there at this cemetery where my dad is at rest. I felt totally honored and very humbled thinking about those hero's. I will continue to do this for as long as I am physically capable of doing it.

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    The first 15 minutes of Saving Private Ryan were awful to watch...I can't imagine the horror of the reality of it.  I went to see that movie when it first came out with a friend. It was the first time I ever walked out of a movie theatre. It was so graphic neither one of us could stomach it. Saw it again many years later ( not on the big screen) and it still made me sick to my stomach.

    War is cruel. The sacrifices made by those men on that day should never....ever..be forgotten.

    What you do on Memorial Day is awesome...you humble us all.

     
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    Hard to believe that it is 70 years ago today that the greatest armada ever gathered at one time hit the beaches of Normandy to start what was the beginning of the end to the war in Europe. Some of those guys were only 18 years old. My dad's bomb group had a mission that day. To all those WW2 veterans I send out my gratitude and deepest respect for what they endured that day. May God bless them all.

     

     

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    Well said as usual Hammah. Sometimes we need to be reminded of who the real heroes in this world are..and for sure your Dad is right up there..along with others including Steven11's dad. Thanks to all our brave men and women in uniform and especially those who fought in those days protecting the freedoms we enjoy today.

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    Thank you Miscricket for your kind words. I watched the special on the D-day invasion on the history channel in HD. it was brought up earlier that the first 10-15 minutes of saving private ryan was extremely realistic and quite graphic. The Germans were so well dug in that the navel bombardment hardly effected them and the first wave of soldiers to get off the landing craft were total sitting ducks. they were basically cut to pieces under the murderous machine gun fire coming at them. The longest day was also very realistic. On Memorial day I placed over 250 American flags at the grave sites of WW1,ww2,Korea and Viet-Nam veterans that are at rest there at this cemetery where my dad is at rest. I felt totally honored and very humbled thinking about those hero's. I will continue to do this for as long as I am physically capable of doing it.

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    The first 15 minutes of Saving Private Ryan were awful to watch...I can't imagine the horror of the reality of it.  I went to see that movie when it first came out with a friend. It was the first time I ever walked out of a movie theatre. It was so graphic neither one of us could stomach it. Saw it again many years later ( not on the big screen) and it still made me sick to my stomach.

    War is cruel. The sacrifices made by those men on that day should never....ever..be forgotten.

    What you do on Memorial Day is awesome...you humble us all.

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    Thank you once again for your kind words. My Memorial Day gig is one of my ways of expressing my honor and gratitude to those who served and rest there. Have you ever been to the changing of the guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier Miscricket? Or the Viet-Nam Memorial Wall? Those places and having visited Arlington National Cemetery is my true definition of what it is like to be humbled. I wore my Viet-Nam veteran cap to those places and was always stopped by people and thanked for my service to this country. Many people hug me and they bring me to tears telling me stories of loved ones who served and are no longer here. Sorry, Miscricket, too much detail for a thread that is not about me but the greatest generation and what they did.

     
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