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    just 1 question




    does buchholz get paid by the hour

    not good for the game

    I could feel casual fans changing the channel

     

    1st let me say while buchholz is one of the worse,

     CC / yanks can be just as bad

     

    the real question is

    do we agree with

    ' As American life moves faster and faster, baseball must cater to its potential fans and speed up in turn.'

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1216426-what-baseball-must-do-to-become-americas-pasttime-once-again

    or just keep the flow of the game natural

    was joe west right

     when he called a 2010 series of Yankees-Red Sox games "a disgrace to baseball" after they each lasted in the ballpark of four hours.

     

    Hampton Stevens of The Atlantic not only strongly agreed with West, but he pointed out that the league has the measures to fix this problem already on the books.

     MLB Rule 8.04 sets a 12-second time limit between pitches when the bases are empty, with a penalty of a ball being called whenever a pitcher exceeds the limit. He goes on to say that the actual average time between pitches is 27 seconds.

     

     

    truth is I'm not sure if we should care about the casual fan

    but something inside  me says we should

    if we do IMO this is a huge way to improve the flow of the game

    not the length but the flow

    then again since I was a kid we've heard about how slow BB is

    and it's still here doing fine

     

    next up is

    taking on  the batters who take a lot longer stepping out of the box after each pitch

    to do the old tighten the gloves and everything else routine.

     

     
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    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

    does buchholz get paid by the hour

    not good for the game

    I could feel casual fans changing the channel

     

    1st let me say while buchholz is one of the worse,

     CC / yanks can be just as bad

     

    the real question is

    do we agree with

    ' As American life moves faster and faster, baseball must cater to its potential fans and speed up in turn.'

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1216426-what-baseball-must-do-to-become-americas-pasttime-once-again

    or just keep the flow of the game natural

    was joe west right

     when he called a 2010 series of Yankees-Red Sox games "a disgrace to baseball" after they each lasted in the ballpark of four hours.

     

    Hampton Stevens of The Atlantic not only strongly agreed with West, but he pointed out that the league has the measures to fix this problem already on the books.

     MLB Rule 8.04 sets a 12-second time limit between pitches when the bases are empty, with a penalty of a ball being called whenever a pitcher exceeds the limit. He goes on to say that the actual average time between pitches is 27 seconds.

     

    truth is I'm not sure if we should care about the casual fan

    but something inside  me says we should

    if we do IMO this is a huge way to improve the flow of the game

    not the length but the flow

    then again since I was a kid we've heard about how slow BB is

    and it's still here doing fine

     

    next up is

    taking on  the batters who take a lot longer stepping out of the box after each pitch

    to do the old tighten the gloves and everything else routine.

     



    Buchholz pace was painful without a doubt.  Unfortunately the rule you point out doesn't adress the problem last night, which was Clay's pace when there were runners on base and there were runners on base basically the whole game.

     
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     To boot, there was much talk about how Nieves and Farrell drilled him in ST and early season on picking up his pace.  he even acknowledged that speeding up made him pitch better; not over think, trust his pitches, repeat his delivery.   There was a clear corrollation, as stated by Clay himself, between the rythym and the success.   So, it is a psychological regression to revert to old bad habits.  Bad timing for the bad timing.        
     
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    Buchholz pace was painful without a doubt.  Unfortunately the rule you point out doesn't adress the problem last night, which was Clay's pace when there were runners on base and there were runners on base basically the whole game.

     

    while that's certainly true to a point

    I'm thinking in the long run if pitchers get used to shorter times w/o men on base

    it would / could translate to when there are runners on

     

     

     

     

     
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    I don't think the issue is that baseball can be a slow game. I think the issue is that the game is getting slower and longer. I agree that some of the pitchers take a long time..but my real pet peeve is your next topic...lol. I can't stand it when the batter steps out of the box after every pitch to adjust batting gloves..or whatever else they are adjusting...especially when they haven't even take the bat off their shoulders. I think the rules about when a batter can call time out need to be tightened up as well.

    "It is not down in any map...trueplaces never are...." ( Melville)

     
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    Pitchers need to stay on the mound.

    Batters need to stay in the box.

    Simple.












     

     
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    Just wait till next year with plays being reviewed. That should be fun Yell












     

     
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    In response to 67redsox's comment:

     

    Just wait till next year with plays being reviewed. That should be fun Yell


     




    I am not sure about that.  It will keep the managers from spending a lot of time arguing.  I think it will be a wash.  As for the OP, I think the problems lies in batters getting out of the box all the time.  If the batter just stayed ready, the pitcher could throw sooner.  As it is right now, the catcher is not going to go through the signals until the batter is in the box again.

     
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    In response to greenwellforpresident's comment:

    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

     

    does buchholz get paid by the hour

    not good for the game

    I could feel casual fans changing the channel

     

    1st let me say while buchholz is one of the worse,

     CC / yanks can be just as bad

     

    the real question is

    do we agree with

    ' As American life moves faster and faster, baseball must cater to its potential fans and speed up in turn.'

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1216426-what-baseball-must-do-to-become-americas-pasttime-once-again

    or just keep the flow of the game natural

    was joe west right

     when he called a 2010 series of Yankees-Red Sox games "a disgrace to baseball" after they each lasted in the ballpark of four hours.

     

    Hampton Stevens of The Atlantic not only strongly agreed with West, but he pointed out that the league has the measures to fix this problem already on the books.

     MLB Rule 8.04 sets a 12-second time limit between pitches when the bases are empty, with a penalty of a ball being called whenever a pitcher exceeds the limit. He goes on to say that the actual average time between pitches is 27 seconds.

     

    truth is I'm not sure if we should care about the casual fan

    but something inside  me says we should

    if we do IMO this is a huge way to improve the flow of the game

    not the length but the flow

    then again since I was a kid we've heard about how slow BB is

    and it's still here doing fine

     

    next up is

    taking on  the batters who take a lot longer stepping out of the box after each pitch

    to do the old tighten the gloves and everything else routine.

     



    Buchholz pace was painful without a doubt.  Unfortunately the rule you point out doesn't adress the problem last night, which was Clay's pace when there were runners on base and there were runners on base basically the whole game.

     



    It's a real issue....a microcosm of the modern, effective-but-passionless obsession with "success" and "efficiency" at the cost of excitement.  The Yanks and the Sox are equally guilty of it.

    Hand-on-heart, I can live with it the way it is but I believe it's putting off casual fans and, worse, young athletes due to the slow pace.  Not a great long-term strategy.

    I'm not aware of Rule 8.04....enforce it!  A simple rule addition would be to not let a batter step out of the box between pitches unless there is a physical issue.

    No real baseball fan wants to NFL-ise the game, but these are simple enforcements/changes that change nothing but the pace.

     
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    In response to 67redsox's comment:

     

    Just wait till next year with plays being reviewed. That should be fun Yell






    I am not sure about that.  It will keep the managers from spending a lot of time arguing.  I think it will be a wash.  As for the OP, I think the problems lies in batters getting out of the box all the time.  If the batter just stayed ready, the pitcher could throw sooner.  As it is right now, the catcher is not going to go through the signals until the batter is in the box again.

     



    I think we all are in general agreement about the issue (needless delays).  I don't want a "timeless" game like baseball turned into a game clock event like the NFL or NBA....but think there are loads of simple ways to speed up the game without putting a timeclock on the pitcher (though I could live with that if all else fails)....no stepping out of the box without a real reason....the first visit to the mound from the dugout requires a pitching change, only 1 pickoff attempt per batter, etc.  All reasonable, IMO.  All fair among teams.  All objective decisions.  No time clock issues.

     

     

     
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    does buchholz get paid by the hour

    not good for the game

    I could feel casual fans changing the channel

     

    1st let me say while buchholz is one of the worse,

     CC / yanks can be just as bad

     

    the real question is

    do we agree with

    ' As American life moves faster and faster, baseball must cater to its potential fans and speed up in turn.'

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1216426-what-baseball-must-do-to-become-americas-pasttime-once-again

    or just keep the flow of the game natural

    was joe west right

     when he called a 2010 series of Yankees-Red Sox games "a disgrace to baseball" after they each lasted in the ballpark of four hours.

     

    Hampton Stevens of The Atlantic not only strongly agreed with West, but he pointed out that the league has the measures to fix this problem already on the books.

     MLB Rule 8.04 sets a 12-second time limit between pitches when the bases are empty, with a penalty of a ball being called whenever a pitcher exceeds the limit. He goes on to say that the actual average time between pitches is 27 seconds.

     

     

    truth is I'm not sure if we should care about the casual fan

    but something inside  me says we should

    if we do IMO this is a huge way to improve the flow of the game

    not the length but the flow

    then again since I was a kid we've heard about how slow BB is

    and it's still here doing fine

     

    next up is

    taking on  the batters who take a lot longer stepping out of the box after each pitch

    to do the old tighten the gloves and everything else routine.

     



         GM Zac,

               I like the game the way it is for the most part. Speeding it up a bit wouldn't hurt.

               The casual fan will find fault for the sake of fault and never really learned the game.

               Clay is slow with runners on but clearly controls the running game which I think is under rated.

             

     
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    Silly thread.

     

     
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    In response to TheExaminer's comment:

    Silly thread.

     




    IDK even though no one answered my question directly

    'should BB cater to / care about the  casual fan'

    I thought there were some pretty good all baseball responses

     

    In response to TheExaminer's comment:

    Silly thread.

     

    I suppose I could have started another

     

    Fire Cherrington, bench Salty, trade Ellsbury, cut Drew, demote Middlebrooks, platoon Victorino, release Napoli, DFA Gomes, trade for Papelbon

     

    thread but I thought the 2 U started were enough

     
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    CC and co have ~300,000 minutes in between their next pitch.....

     
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    In response to 67redsox's comment:

    Pitchers need to stay on the mound.

    Batters need to stay in the box.

    Simple.


    Only simple if the umps DO THEIR JOB.  Stop stepping out, playing with your gloves, and grabbing your nads!









     

     




     

     
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    In response to fizsh's comment:

    In response to 67redsox's comment:

    Just wait till next year with plays being reviewed. That should be fun Yell



    I am not sure about that.  It will keep the managers from spending a lot of time arguing.  I think it will be a wash.  As for the OP, I think the problems lies in batters getting out of the box all the time.  If the batter just stayed ready, the pitcher could throw sooner.  As it is right now, the catcher is not going to go through the signals until the batter is in the box again.



    I think we all are in general agreement about the issue (needless delays).  I don't want a "timeless" game like baseball turned into a game clock event like the NFL or NBA....but think there are loads of simple ways to speed up the game without putting a timeclock on the pitcher (though I could live with that if all else fails)....no stepping out of the box without a real reason....the first visit to the mound from the dugout requires a pitching change, only 1 pickoff attempt per batter, etc.  All reasonable, IMO.  All fair among teams.  All objective decisions.  No time clock issues.



    I'm all for enforcing current rules more, mainly don't let the batter step out all the time, but I don't like these two suggestions.  You can't take away the option of the pitching coach coming to the mound to talk to the pitcher, that's a pretty big part of the game.   1 pickoff attempt per batter would be disastrous.  That means a runner on 1st can run on the pitchers first move after the 1 pickoff attempt.

     
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    self deleted

     
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    In response to slasher9's comment:

    CC and co have ~300,000 minutes in between their next pitch.....




    LOL good one

     

    Re: Right now, who is your favorite Sox player to watch?

    hitting:  big papi

    pitching:  koji-san

    fielding:  drew/pedroia turning the double plays

     

    I agree here's an olive branch

    let's be friends

     

     

     

     

     

     
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