Just in: NO HOF this year for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa

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    Re: Just in: NO HOF this year for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa

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    Heard it on CNN.

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    Thank God !!!! Now i'm happy for Pete Rose.

     
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    Re: Just in: NO HOF this year for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa

    cheats

     
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    The BBWAA needs to not vote for the HOF. 

     
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    cheats

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    Mantle, Mays and Aaron all admitted to taking greenies.

     
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    How did Piazza not get in??

     
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     Not to the extent of the others, but wasn't Piazza a PED suspect?

     
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    Not to the extent of the others, but wasn't Piazza a strong PED suspect?

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    Not to my knowledge.

    Piazza never implicated in ped usage.

    How about a career .308 BA, 12 AS games and 427 Homeruns?

    And Biggio??

    These guys are crazy.

     
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    at the end of his career there were some rumblings, more so afterwards, when he became a shell of himself. not considered a first ballot HOF'er. He'll get in eventually

     
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    Re: Just in: NO HOF this year for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa

    Biggio 3060 hits.

     
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    at the end of his career there were some rumblings, more so afterwards, when he became a shell of himself. not considered a first ballot HOF'er. He'll get in eventually

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    I can understand all the cheaters.

    I wouldn't vote for any of them myself. Ever.

    Maybe Piazza makes the 2nd vote.

     
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    Biggio 3060 hits.

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    He got a pretty big chunk of votes though, esp for 1st ballot and with the ballot growing due to PEDs not going in...

     

     
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    Biggio 3060 hits.

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    He got a pretty big chunk of votes though, esp for 1st ballot and with the ballot growing due to PEDs not going in...

     

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    Biggio 2 decades w/ the same team and with over 3K hits.

    Boy, he gets my vote for sure. A great player.

     
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    at the end of his career there were some rumblings, more so afterwards, when he became a shell of himself. not considered a first ballot HOF'er. He'll get in eventually

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    I can understand all the cheaters.

    I wouldn't vote for any of them myself. Ever.

    Maybe Piazza makes the 2nd vote.

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    Unfortunately everyone who put up big HR numbers during that era will always have some shadow of suspicion hanging over them, I fear - whether there's proof they cheated or not.

    (Look at Bagwell, who never tested positive and ought to be a lock based on the numbers.)

     
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    He got a pretty big chunk of votes though, esp for 1st ballot and with the ballot growing due to PEDs not going in...

     

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    Biggio 2 decades w/ the same team and with over 3K hits.

    Boy, he gets my vote for sure. A great player.

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    I don't disagree, but as long as PED guyss stay on the ballot splitting the vote a lot of odd results will happen.

     
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    Re: Just in: NO HOF this year for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa

    I would have voted for

     

    Jeff Bagwell-Great all round player. Had to play 9 seasons in the Astrodome.

    Dale Murphy-Over 6 year period was arguably the best and most complete player in baseball.

    Alan Trammell-great SS. WAR 67.1-69.5

    Tim Raines-Complete player. Pitchers parks. WAR 66.2-70.6

    Larry Walker-Complete player. Yes, he played in Coors. But he also had 6 seasons in non hitters parks[St. Louis and Montreal]. Career 965 OPS with defense and speed.

     

    Thats it. Schilling, Biggio and Piazza I would vote for next year. Only great players would get my first ballot vote. Not sure what to do with Bonds and Clemens. Probably would vote for them next year.

     

     
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    I would have voted for

     

    Jeff Bagwell-Great all round player. Had to play 9 seasons in the Astrodome.

    Dale Murphy-Over 6 year period was arguably the best and most complete player in baseball.

    Alan Trammell-great SS. WAR 67.1-69.5

    Tim Raines-Complete player. Pitchers parks. WAR 66.2-70.6

    Larry Walker-Complete player. Yes, he played in Coors. But he also had 6 seasons in non hitters parks[St. Louis and Montreal]. Career 965 OPS with defense and speed.

     

    Thats it. Schilling, Biggio and Piazza I would vote for next year. Only great players would get my first ballot vote. Not sure what to do with Bonds and Clemens. Probably would vote for them next year.

     

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    How is Biggio not better than Raines?

     
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    I would have voted for

     

    Jeff Bagwell-Great all round player. Had to play 9 seasons in the Astrodome.

    Dale Murphy-Over 6 year period was arguably the best and most complete player in baseball.

    Alan Trammell-great SS. WAR 67.1-69.5

    Tim Raines-Complete player. Pitchers parks. WAR 66.2-70.6

    Larry Walker-Complete player. Yes, he played in Coors. But he also had 6 seasons in non hitters parks[St. Louis and Montreal]. Career 965 OPS with defense and speed.

     

    Thats it. Schilling, Biggio and Piazza I would vote for next year. Only great players would get my first ballot vote. Not sure what to do with Bonds and Clemens. Probably would vote for them next year.

     

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    How is Biggio not better than Raines?

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    Its a first ballot prejudice. I would not have voted for Raines on the first ballot either. So Raines is not really better then Biggio IMO.

     
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    I would have voted for

     

    Jeff Bagwell-Great all round player. Had to play 9 seasons in the Astrodome.

    Dale Murphy-Over 6 year period was arguably the best and most complete player in baseball.

    Alan Trammell-great SS. WAR 67.1-69.5

    Tim Raines-Complete player. Pitchers parks. WAR 66.2-70.6

    Larry Walker-Complete player. Yes, he played in Coors. But he also had 6 seasons in non hitters parks[St. Louis and Montreal]. Career 965 OPS with defense and speed.

     

    Thats it. Schilling, Biggio and Piazza I would vote for next year. Only great players would get my first ballot vote. Not sure what to do with Bonds and Clemens. Probably would vote for them next year.

     Living in Colorado, I saw Larry Walker as a 5 tool player . He should get in before the cheats. Problem with Larry was that many voters didn't see him enough.

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    I would have voted for

     

    Jeff Bagwell-Great all round player. Had to play 9 seasons in the Astrodome.

    Dale Murphy-Over 6 year period was arguably the best and most complete player in baseball.

    Alan Trammell-great SS. WAR 67.1-69.5

    Tim Raines-Complete player. Pitchers parks. WAR 66.2-70.6

    Larry Walker-Complete player. Yes, he played in Coors. But he also had 6 seasons in non hitters parks[St. Louis and Montreal]. Career 965 OPS with defense and speed.

     

    Thats it. Schilling, Biggio and Piazza I would vote for next year. Only great players would get my first ballot vote. Not sure what to do with Bonds and Clemens. Probably would vote for them next year.

     

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    How is Biggio not better than Raines?

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    Time Raines have 3000 hits?

    I think the only players with more hits than Biggio not in the hall are Rose and Jeter.

    I think Raines played longer than Biggio and is at 2600+.

    Don't get me wrong I like Tim Raines but Biggio should have been voted in.

     
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    at the end of his career there were some rumblings, more so afterwards, when he became a shell of himself. not considered a first ballot HOF'er. He'll get in eventually

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    I can understand all the cheaters.

    I wouldn't vote for any of them myself. Ever.

    Maybe Piazza makes the 2nd vote.

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    Unfortunately everyone who put up big HR numbers during that era will always have some shadow of suspicion hanging over them, I fear - whether there's proof they cheated or not.

    (Look at Bagwell, who never tested positive and ought to be a lock based on the numbers.)

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    I felt Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez were the two best catchers in baseball during that era.

    Of course Pudge has been implicated with the crew in Texas when Canseco was there.

     
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