Upton's 162 game averages are 24 HR and 80 RBI.  Away from home, needless to say, much worse than that.

As a hitter, Upton's numbers are comparable to J. D. Drew's, except with less power and a lower on-base percentage.

In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

Career Home & Away (per 162 games):

Upton: .307  29  97/ .250  18  63

Youk:  .305  23  102/ .261  23  89

Papi: Fenway .314  36  137/ .263  39  109 (incl with MN)

Ellsbury: .296  16  71/ .298  7  54

Boggs: .354  9  69 (47 2Bs)/ .302  6  65  (29 2Bs)

C Fisk: Fenway .300  28  90/  .265  24  85 (incl with CWS)

Yaz:  .306  22 102 (36 2Bs)/ .264  21  77  (26 2Bs) .125 OPS diff.

C Ross ('12): .298  31  120/ .232  22  80

I never heard anyone complain about these Sox players' road splits.

 

In response to moonslav59's comment:

Uptons is worse than everyone on the list. at least his is the biggest disparity. Besides Cody Ross and the his H/R splits have been discussed already.

In response to mef429's comment:

Yes, they are worse, except for Boggs's BA, but his road splits include playing many road games in the NL West pitcher's parks like SD, LAD, and SF. I think when he comes to the AL and has better line-up protection, his road splits would be better.

Yes, Cody's splits were discussed, but many here begged to bring him back, even at slightly more than the absurd cost he signed for this winter.

Did anyone applaud Salty for averaging 33 Hrs per 162 gms on the road in 2012?

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

In response to mef429's comment:

 

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

 

Upton's 162 game averages are 24 HR and 80 RBI.  Away from home, needless to say, much worse than that.

As a hitter, Upton's numbers are comparable to J. D. Drew's, except with less power and a lower on-base percentage.

 

Career Home & Away (per 162 games):

 

Upton: .307  29  97/ .250  18  63

Youk:  .305  23  102/ .261  23  89

Papi: Fenway .314  36  137/ .263  39  109 (incl with MN)

Ellsbury: .296  16  71/ .298  7  54

Boggs: .354  9  69 (47 2Bs)/ .302  6  65  (29 2Bs)

C Fisk: Fenway .300  28  90/  .265  24  85 (incl with CWS)

Yaz:  .306  22 102 (36 2Bs)/ .264  21  77  (26 2Bs) .125 OPS diff.

C Ross ('12): .298  31  120/ .232  22  80

I never heard anyone complain about these Sox players' road splits.

 

 

Uptons is worse than everyone on the list. at least his is the biggest disparity. Besides Cody Ross and the his H/R splits have been discussed already.

 

 

 

Yes, they are worse, except for Boggs's BA, but his road splits include playing many road games in the NL West pitcher's parks like SD, LAD, and SF. I think when he comes to the AL and has better line-up protection, his road splits would be better.

Yes, Cody's splits were discussed, but many here begged to bring him back, even at slightly more than the absurd cost he signed for this winter.

Did anyone applaud Salty for averaging 33 Hrs per 162 gms on the road in 2012?

 

 

we also play in many a pitcher park. i Dread the road trips to the AL west and the gargantuan parks they have there (mainly seattle and oakland). And all of this is moot in my eyes because i still feel that it would cost too much of our future to land him.

btw, props to salty :)

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

In response to mef429's comment:

 

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

 

Upton's 162 game averages are 24 HR and 80 RBI.  Away from home, needless to say, much worse than that.

As a hitter, Upton's numbers are comparable to J. D. Drew's, except with less power and a lower on-base percentage.

 

Career Home & Away (per 162 games):

 

Upton: .307  29  97/ .250  18  63

Youk:  .305  23  102/ .261  23  89

Papi: Fenway .314  36  137/ .263  39  109 (incl with MN)

Ellsbury: .296  16  71/ .298  7  54

Boggs: .354  9  69 (47 2Bs)/ .302  6  65  (29 2Bs)

C Fisk: Fenway .300  28  90/  .265  24  85 (incl with CWS)

Yaz:  .306  22 102 (36 2Bs)/ .264  21  77  (26 2Bs) .125 OPS diff.

C Ross ('12): .298  31  120/ .232  22  80

I never heard anyone complain about these Sox players' road splits.

 

 

Uptons is worse than everyone on the list. at least his is the biggest disparity. Besides Cody Ross and the his H/R splits have been discussed already.

 

 

 

Yes, they are worse, except for Boggs's BA, but his road splits include playing many road games in the NL West pitcher's parks like SD, LAD, and SF. I think when he comes to the AL and has better line-up protection, his road splits would be better.

Yes, Cody's splits were discussed, but many here begged to bring him back, even at slightly more than the absurd cost he signed for this winter.

Did anyone applaud Salty for averaging 33 Hrs per 162 gms on the road in 2012?

 

 

we also play in many a pitcher park. i Dread the road trips to the AL west and the gargantuan parks they have there (mainly seattle and oakland). And all of this is moot in my eyes because i still feel that it would cost too much of our future to land him.

btw, props to salty :)

In response to mef429's comment:

 

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

In response to mef429's comment:

 

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

 

Upton's 162 game averages are 24 HR and 80 RBI.  Away from home, needless to say, much worse than that.

As a hitter, Upton's numbers are comparable to J. D. Drew's, except with less power and a lower on-base percentage.

 

Career Home & Away (per 162 games):

 

Upton: .307  29  97/ .250  18  63

Youk:  .305  23  102/ .261  23  89

Papi: Fenway .314  36  137/ .263  39  109 (incl with MN)

Ellsbury: .296  16  71/ .298  7  54

Boggs: .354  9  69 (47 2Bs)/ .302  6  65  (29 2Bs)

C Fisk: Fenway .300  28  90/  .265  24  85 (incl with CWS)

Yaz:  .306  22 102 (36 2Bs)/ .264  21  77  (26 2Bs) .125 OPS diff.

C Ross ('12): .298  31  120/ .232  22  80

I never heard anyone complain about these Sox players' road splits.

 

 

Uptons is worse than everyone on the list. at least his is the biggest disparity. Besides Cody Ross and the his H/R splits have been discussed already.

 

 

 

Yes, they are worse, except for Boggs's BA, but his road splits include playing many road games in the NL West pitcher's parks like SD, LAD, and SF. I think when he comes to the AL and has better line-up protection, his road splits would be better.

Yes, Cody's splits were discussed, but many here begged to bring him back, even at slightly more than the absurd cost he signed for this winter.

Did anyone applaud Salty for averaging 33 Hrs per 162 gms on the road in 2012?

 

 

we also play in many a pitcher park. i Dread the road trips to the AL west and the gargantuan parks they have there (mainly seattle and oakland). And all of this is moot in my eyes because i still feel that it would cost too much of our future to land him.

btw, props to salty :)

 

 

Our team really struggle in Oak and Sea. but Salty hit 3 HRs in 35 ABs in those 2 parks. That's a 52 HR pace per 600 ABs.

He only hit 2 Hrs on the road at AL East parks (1 in Bal in 21 ABs and 1 in NY in 23 ABs, with 0 HRs in TB/Tor in 45 ABs).

While his home splits were better than his raod splits, his OBP was the same, and the differential between splits was one of the lowest out of all our starters last year.

In response to Softlaw1's comment:

 

There is also the point that Upton probably would like to join his brother in Atlanta and the Braves have the money and minor league talent to pull that off if they want to.  As an added incentive to the DBacks...Upton doesn't have to approve that trade.  There is no guarantee that the Sox minor league talent will bring them a WS but I would sure like to see them given the chance to do so and not be traded away. 

J. Upton has never expressed a desire to "join his borther in ATL". The Braves have no more advantage in minor league talent to "pull off that if they want to" than the Red Sox do. It's not an added incentive to the DBacks to do anything but seek the best trade, as they have already done with the Mariners. The DBacks absolutely will have to be overwhelmed to trade J. Upton to an NL team. The DBacks don't have your lack of understanding of the business of baseball. The no-trade list is merely a leverage for an extension from a big market team.

Bradley, Jr. and Barnes and Bogaerts would not have to be traded, despite false reports to the contrary because of the Mariners weak trade offer that was approved. Selling Ellsbury, Brentz, Webster or De La Rosa and any other player in the Red Sox farm except for Bradley, Jr. and Barnes and Boaerts in the trade market to the highest bidders will net the package that will get the DBacks approval. Offering J. Upton a base 17 extension on the end of his current deal that takes him to age 32 will close the trade.

The reason Cherry isn't picking up the phone is because he has a doting fan base that will cry like babies if he trades Ellsbury's final season with the Red Sox. Cherry would have already tried to extend Ellsbury but Ellsbury and his agent will sell to the highest bidder and that's not going to be the Red Sox because there is no way, with Bradley Jr. costing nothing for years, that Red Sox management gets approval to do another 30 year old FA lefty OF geriatrics contract in the wake of one of the single most incompetent moves in MLB GM history, the 142M contract offer to Carl Crawford.

Cherry is like InEpstein, he exposes his incompetence in utilizing the trade market by reacting to the FA market. He will pretend the draft compensation and 10 million to Ellsbury was the way to go instead of trading him and the draft compensation in the winter trade market. Even if Ellsbury has a strong first half, his trade value will be less because he'll come with no draft compesnation and no team will trade much for a couple of months of Ellsbury.

 

I doubt that the doting fan base has anything to do with his trading Ellsbury or not...It could be as simple as he values him more than you do. Last I checked it was Cherington that ultimately has the control..Perhaps he sees us a a better team with, than without. He's already with the signing of Victorino and the anticipated emergence of Bradley JR structured the roster to have the flexibility and leverage to allow Ellsbury to play out his contract or trade him if the right deal presents itself...

 

As for trading for Upton, what you and many that fawn over the guy don't know is the reasoning behind why Upton and his agent placed the Red Sox on his limmited no trade list. Therein lyes the answer to any and all speculation regarding his aquisition. If his stance is under no circumstances would accept a trade to...the conversation is over. If he and his agent did so to extract payment from, in order to get him to waive his no trade. Then it comes down to at what cost and if Cherington arrives at we're better with, than without and the two teams first can get Upton to approve a trade. Then workout fair value in return and John Henry gives his blessing and opens his wallet. Juston Upton will be wearing a Sox uniform this spring. Otherwise we're all wasting good brain cells bantering back and forth with unfounded, specualtive, hypothisies...

Now if you have Upton's phone number and could give him a call asked him if he would approve a trade to Boston, then let Cherington know...Now your above senario has merit and it's a matter of the D-backs and Sox coming to an agreement.

 

Braves send low quality quantity for J. Upton (and they get back 3B Chris Johnson), who is better than any OF farm pipe dream. 

Rendall Del Gado BA "B+ Sickels+ 2013 92.2 IP 1.414 WHIP >= Webster "B Sickels"  P 

Prado <or= Ellsbury    Both FA 2014    OF/UIF 

Ahmed "farm scrap D rated Sickels" <or=  Holt  UIF 

Drury "B minus farm Sickels" <or= Cecchini   "B farm Sickels"   3B

Spruill "B minus frm Sickels" <or= Wilson "B minus Sickels"   P     

 

Needless to say, price was cheap for J. Upton and Red Sox easily trump Braves without trading Bogaerts, Barnes or Bradley, Jr.

My trade pool for J. Upton was:

Ellsbury

Brentz  (likely not needed)

Webster or De La Rosa

One more from any farm hand except Barnes, Bradley, Jr. and Bogaerts

 

Cherry could have gotten the deal approved, with or without Braves et al as a third team, and had J. Upton agree to waive the "leverage for extension no-trade to likely big market trade teams" by putting a 5 year 85M extension after his current contract end in 2015

J. Upton 2013  9.5M (fits perfectly net zero with Ellsbury off books)   Age 25

           2014  14.25M   2015 14.5M   (Base ~12M and 38.25M is Less than Shane's 39M)

           2016  17M 2017 17M 2018 17M 2019 17M 2020 17M  Age 32 off books 

So far, the incomptent Cherry still has Ellsbury and Shane and 23 million on the 2013 books, and nothing but pipe dreams for 2013 and beyond.

The Braves are one of the proven better managed organizations in baseball. The racist "clubhouse cancer" tag projected on J. Upton is false.

I can only hope the incomptent Cherry has a deal in place with the Braves, but that would be unlikely for a guy who pulls Shane out of dumpster for 39 million and is still sitting on his hands in fear of the backlash from pinkhats on trading Ellsbury who will be, thankfully, a liability elsewhere in a few more months. Cherry will tell the crying fans that "we made our best effort to sign Ellsbury as a FA but".

My trade pool for J. Upton was:

Ellsbury

Brentz  (likely not needed)

Webster or De La Rosa

One more from any farm hand except Barnes, Bradley, Jr. and Bogaerts

 

What a liar!

You offered Boggy and criticized me for not wanting to part with Boggy as part of an Upton deal.

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

My trade pool for J. Upton was:

Ellsbury

Brentz  (likely not needed)

Webster or De La Rosa

One more from any farm hand except Barnes, Bradley, Jr. and Bogaerts

 

What a liar!

You offered Boggy and criticized me for not wanting to part with Boggy as part of an Upton deal.

 

Moon, see old thread I brought back to first page.

 

In response to moonslav59's comment:

 

My trade pool for J. Upton was:

Ellsbury

Brentz  (likely not needed)

Webster or De La Rosa

One more from any farm hand except Barnes, Bradley, Jr. and Bogaerts

 

What a liar!

You offered Boggy and criticized me for not wanting to part with Boggy as part of an Upton deal.

 

Moon, see old thread I brought back to first page.

 

Softlaw was on the money. He stated, over and over, that Brentz would be stubtracted and Bogaerts added only if required to top the trade market offers but that was unlikely. He was right.

Moonslav kept overstating the market for J. Upton, which turned out to be extremely weak. Red Sox, as softlaw said, could have kept Barnes, Bogaerts and Bradley, Jr. and close the deal. The Board kept whining about it costing Bogaerts, when it cost nothing short of mostly garbage and one decent veteran MLB player and another high WHIP NL quasi-prospect pitcher and farm scraps.

Softlaw was on the money. He stated, over and over, that Brentz would be stubtracted and Bogaerts added only if required to top the trade market offers but that was unlikely. He was right.

Moonslav kept overstating the market for J. Upton, which turned out to be extremely weak. Red Sox, as softlaw said, could have kept Barnes, Bogaerts and Bradley, Jr. and close the deal. The Board kept whining about it costing Bogaerts, when it cost nothing short of mostly garbage and one decent veteran MLB player and another high WHIP NL quasi-prospect pitcher and farm scraps.

Softlaw was on the money. He stated, over and over, that Brentz would be stubtracted and Bogaerts added only if required to top the trade market offers but that was unlikely. He was right.

Moonslav kept overstating the market for J. Upton, which turned out to be extremely weak. Red Sox, as softlaw said, could have kept Barnes, Bogaerts and Bradley, Jr. and close the deal. The Board kept whining about it costing Bogaerts, when it cost nothing short of mostly garbage and one decent veteran MLB player and another high WHIP NL quasi-prospect pitcher and farm scraps.

In response to billbyboy's comment:

 

Softlaw was on the money. He stated, over and over, that Brentz would be stubtracted and Bogaerts added only if required to top the trade market offers but that was unlikely. He was right.

Moonslav kept overstating the market for J. Upton, which turned out to be extremely weak. Red Sox, as softlaw said, could have kept Barnes, Bogaerts and Bradley, Jr. and close the deal. The Board kept whining about it costing Bogaerts, when it cost nothing short of mostly garbage and one decent veteran MLB player and another high WHIP NL quasi-prospect pitcher and farm scraps.

 

softlaw