Re: Justin Upton Declines Trade to Seattle
posted at 1/12/2013 6:21 AM EST
In response to Softlaw1's comment:
There is also the point that Upton probably would like to join his brother in Atlanta and the Braves have the money and minor league talent to pull that off if they want to. As an added incentive to the DBacks...Upton doesn't have to approve that trade. There is no guarantee that the Sox minor league talent will bring them a WS but I would sure like to see them given the chance to do so and not be traded away.
J. Upton has never expressed a desire to "join his borther in ATL". The Braves have no more advantage in minor league talent to "pull off that if they want to" than the Red Sox do. It's not an added incentive to the DBacks to do anything but seek the best trade, as they have already done with the Mariners. The DBacks absolutely will have to be overwhelmed to trade J. Upton to an NL team. The DBacks don't have your lack of understanding of the business of baseball. The no-trade list is merely a leverage for an extension from a big market team.
Bradley, Jr. and Barnes and Bogaerts would not have to be traded, despite false reports to the contrary because of the Mariners weak trade offer that was approved. Selling Ellsbury, Brentz, Webster or De La Rosa and any other player in the Red Sox farm except for Bradley, Jr. and Barnes and Boaerts in the trade market to the highest bidders will net the package that will get the DBacks approval. Offering J. Upton a base 17 extension on the end of his current deal that takes him to age 32 will close the trade.
The reason Cherry isn't picking up the phone is because he has a doting fan base that will cry like babies if he trades Ellsbury's final season with the Red Sox. Cherry would have already tried to extend Ellsbury but Ellsbury and his agent will sell to the highest bidder and that's not going to be the Red Sox because there is no way, with Bradley Jr. costing nothing for years, that Red Sox management gets approval to do another 30 year old FA lefty OF geriatrics contract in the wake of one of the single most incompetent moves in MLB GM history, the 142M contract offer to Carl Crawford.
Cherry is like InEpstein, he exposes his incompetence in utilizing the trade market by reacting to the FA market. He will pretend the draft compensation and 10 million to Ellsbury was the way to go instead of trading him and the draft compensation in the winter trade market. Even if Ellsbury has a strong first half, his trade value will be less because he'll come with no draft compesnation and no team will trade much for a couple of months of Ellsbury.
I doubt that the doting fan base has anything to do with his trading Ellsbury or not...It could be as simple as he values him more than you do. Last I checked it was Cherington that ultimately has the control..Perhaps he sees us a a better team with, than without. He's already with the signing of Victorino and the anticipated emergence of Bradley JR structured the roster to have the flexibility and leverage to allow Ellsbury to play out his contract or trade him if the right deal presents itself...
As for trading for Upton, what you and many that fawn over the guy don't know is the reasoning behind why Upton and his agent placed the Red Sox on his limmited no trade list. Therein lyes the answer to any and all speculation regarding his aquisition. If his stance is under no circumstances would accept a trade to...the conversation is over. If he and his agent did so to extract payment from, in order to get him to waive his no trade. Then it comes down to at what cost and if Cherington arrives at we're better with, than without and the two teams first can get Upton to approve a trade. Then workout fair value in return and John Henry gives his blessing and opens his wallet. Juston Upton will be wearing a Sox uniform this spring. Otherwise we're all wasting good brain cells bantering back and forth with unfounded, specualtive, hypothisies...
Now if you have Upton's phone number and could give him a call asked him if he would approve a trade to Boston, then let Cherington know...Now your above senario has merit and it's a matter of the D-backs and Sox coming to an agreement.