Kemp trade re-opens and Sox again interested

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    Kemp trade re-opens and Sox again interested

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/agent-says-los-angeles-dodgers-outfielder-matt-kemp-open-to-trade-if-not-playing-every-day-071614" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/agent-says-los-angeles-dodgers-outfielder-matt-kemp-open-to-trade-if-not-playing-every-day-071614


    Sox recently sent scouts to see Dodgers game whether their focus was on Kemp or not.  

     
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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     
     
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    Matt Kemp is not the player he once was, he was plagued by injuries the last couple years.  The injuries that plagued Kemp are the more serious kind that eat into production and shorten careers.

    Perhaps to some extent he is healthy now, but if he plays 159 160 games this year he's on track to have 

    14 HR's 64 RBI's and bat .269/.330/.430.

    His speed is gone.  Kemp has stolen 5 bases this year but been caught 5 times.  His defense has also taken a huge hit as well.  He's been a below average left fielder this year.

    Kemp also has a -.3 WAR this year, and he's not getting ANY younger. If we are trying to build a future, why would ANYONE want this guy now?????

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:

    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    Not sure Ben would do that.  

     
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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    For an injured player entering his 30's who can't run, can't field, lost most of his power and is grossly overpaid???

    And you want to send our best prospect, a potential starter, AND eat the money????

    W.O.W.!!!!!!!!

     
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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    Not sure Ben would do that.  



    Ben should be chased out of NE if he does that. 

     
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    For an injured player entering his 30's who can't run, can't field, lost most of his power and is grossly overpaid???

    And you want to send our best prospect, a potential starter, AND eat the money????

    W.O.W.!!!!!!!!




    I would take a chance....of course if we did that we would have to move some money around but we have some options seeing that a few players have less than 1.5 years on their contract 

     
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    Lester for Kemp..... Dodgers pay 35% Kemps salary



    If we are going to trade our ACE to LA for an outfielder why not ask for Joc Pederson?  

    Lester has been one of the best pitchers in the league this year, has a track record of durability and Kemp is past his prime, often injured, overpaid, and actually a negative WAR player the last 2 years.

    We could get So so so much more for Lester. 

     
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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    For an injured player entering his 30's who can't run, can't field, lost most of his power and is grossly overpaid???

    And you want to send our best prospect, a potential starter, AND eat the money????

    W.O.W.!!!!!!!!




    I would take a chance....of course if we did that we would have to move some money around but we have some options seeing that a few players have less than 1.5 years on their contract 



    You're going to trade our best prospect, to pay for a costly "chance"

    KEMP has been horrible in the field, and since his injuries he's been mediocre at the plate.  And he's on the wrong side of his prime.

    That's a HORRIBLE chance. 

     
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    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kempma01.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kempma01.shtml


     


    WIth his injury history and significant drop in production the last few years why would ANYONE want to pay this man 21.5 a year???


    I wouldn't give LA top prospects if they ATE his whole salary.

     
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    No way i trade Lester for anyone - pay him or if he decides to walk we get the comp pick...i would rather eat kemps salary if he busts than give away a stud like lester who has turned us into champions...

    As always - 100% correct!

     
     
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    Peavy, Webster, Barnes and Marrero for Kemp and $30M

    Sox pay Kemp $15.6M per season throughout his contract.

     
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    WIth his injury history and significant drop in production the last few years why would ANYONE want to pay this man 21.5 a year???

     

    I wouldn't give LA top prospects if they ATE his whole salary.



    kemp is a proven player and as usual youre holding on way too tight wth the prospects....we need hitting and unless you want to give up pitching, then you have to give away prospects.....no one is going to give you Kemp for some slugs in AA ball who are struggling

     
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    At this point in time I'd rather see them go after Cole Hamels.

     
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    The only way the Sox trade for him is if he is a Boras client, then Boras will make the decision for Ben.

     
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    WIth his injury history and significant drop in production the last few years why would ANYONE want to pay this man 21.5 a year???

     

    I wouldn't give LA top prospects if they ATE his whole salary.



    kemp is a proven player and as usual youre holding on way too tight wth the prospects....we need hitting and unless you want to give up pitching, then you have to give away prospects.....no one is going to give you Kemp for some slugs in AA ball who are struggling

    You're dreaming on what Kemp used to be.  He's had 2 subpar seasons in a row since significant injury and you think hes going to magically turn into his 2011 self in his 30's?????

    even if youre right you're selling low on Betts.  Why not play Betts in lf for the rest of the year and if you still want a bat you sign HanRam in the offseason.  Move him or Bogey to left field and you get a player who is better than Kemp, same AAV cost, healthier, and you get to keep Betts/Lester/workman/webster/marrero.

     

     
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    Not sure Ben would do that.  



    Ben should be chased out of NE if he does that. 




    Rightly so.

    Some kind of move is needed to bolster the offense by next season - we all know that - but if we're going to give up prospects (including Betts, our current #1 prospect) and still pay over $20 million a year, we should be able to do much better than Kemp, who is a shadow of his former self.

     
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    Prospects who are Rule 5 draft eligible and need to be protected this December.

    Blake Swihart, Matt Barnes, Sean Coyle, Luis Diaz, Travis Shaw, Noe Ramirez, Henry Ramos, Miguel Celestino, Keith Couch, Jonathan Aro, Keury De La Cruz, Aaron kurcz

    Swihart, Barnes, Coyle are no brainers unless they are traded.

    Diaz, Shaw, Ramirez, Ramos, Kurcz have high risks of losing them if not added.

    Sox do need to clean up some rooms before December.  

     
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    Sox trade Lester to Dodgers, pay half his salary, and go for Pederson.

     
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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    Not sure Ben would do that.  




    Trading Betts would be crazy unless you got a LOT more than Kemp

     
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    With all due respect, those of you who are salivating over Kemp should pay a little more attention to Hugh.  Here's the recent book on Kemp:

    2012 - Kemp played 106 games after two stints with a hamstring injury.  Doesn't this sound like some RF the Sox are paying?

    2013 - Kemp played in 73 games after TWO hammy injuries and recovering from shoulder surgery that cut down on his power numbers.  Doesn't this sound like that same RF the Sox are paying PLUS one great-hitting 1B who played here a few years ago?

    And you want to pay this guy $21M a year for the next FIVE YEARS?  He'll be 30 years old in September.  Do you think he's going to get BETTER?

    No, no, Hell no!

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    A - So the Marines know who they're -----ing.

     

    And I have never posted here under any other names.

     
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    WIth his injury history and significant drop in production the last few years why would ANYONE want to pay this man 21.5 a year???

     

    I wouldn't give LA top prospects if they ATE his whole salary.



    kemp is a proven player and as usual youre holding on way too tight wth the prospects....we need hitting and unless you want to give up pitching, then you have to give away prospects.....no one is going to give you Kemp for some slugs in AA ball who are struggling

    You're dreaming on what Kemp used to be.  He's had 2 subpar seasons in a row since significant injury and you think hes going to magically turn into his 2011 self in his 30's?????

    even if youre right you're selling low on Betts.  Why not play Betts in lf for the rest of the year and if you still want a bat you sign HanRam in the offseason.  Move him or Bogey to left field and you get a player who is better than Kemp, same AAV cost, healthier, and you get to keep Betts/Lester/workman/webster/marrero.

     



    I don't think Kemp will hit 39 HRs or steal 40 bases ever again in his career.  But he's been healthy this season.  I don't think Kemp is done yet.  He could still hit 30 HRs when he's 35 or steal 30 bases when he's 33 or win a GG when he's 34.  Kemp is a very good athlete with strong built.  I'm opposed to giving up Betts for Kemp even if Dodgers pay huge portion of his salary, but Kemp is very good player and still can be core of this team's future offense.  That's what teams are looking for in Kemp's trade.  

     
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    See and this is why I can’t take a lot of you people seriously.  (And to be fair, many of my posts shouldn’t be taken seriously as well, although I am usually pretty blatant in that regard.)  Many of you get too focused on individual stats that need to be “replaced.”   

    “Who is going to steal all Ellsbury’s bases?”   “We need more home runs!!”  “Where are all our lost HBP going to come from?” 

    These are fine strategies for your fantasy league, where that kind of stuff matters, but you don’t fix an offense by getting “home runs” and “stolen bases.”   

    Last week, not to single him out, but dannycater threw the name Trumbo out there as a hitter the Sox could use because of his prodigious power number., and the logic was obvious.  But flawed in my opinion.   You go get a guy because he hits 30 home runs in 650 PA, and then what happens in his other 620 plate appearances’?  Sure, one could argue that those 30 home runs might win 30 games, but, guess what?   They won’t.   In fact,  at least 20 of them will come when the game is all but decided one way or the other.  So now you are hoping for maybe 10 clutch home runs?  You won’t get that many.   Maybe   Not everyone has the same flair for the dramatic as David Ortiz.  In fact, no one else does. 

    And power can come from anywhere.  Raise your hand if, in March,  you thought ANY the following names would still be in the top 20 in MLB in home runs in mid-July:  Brandon Moss, Victor Martinez, Josh Donaldson, George Springer, Chris Carter, Brian Dozier, Nelson Cruz, Todd Frazier, and Marlon Byrd.   That’s 45% of the list who are not among the usual suspects.  From last year’s top ten HR hitters, only Edwin Encarnacion is among the top 20 this year.  The stat bounces around more than many people realize. 

    The Sox don’t need to focus on “home run hitters” just because that stat is down.  They need to focus on hitters period, and let the home runs take care of themselves, the way they always do.  Getting guys like Kemp because he can hit home runs (and, better yet, “be a monster at Fenway”) has way more chance of being a disastrous move that does neither.  

    Kemp is an awful idea for a lot of reasons, most of which center around the fact that it isn’t 2010 anymore.  Back when Kemp was putting up the numbers his proponets are buying into, guys like Curtis Granderson and Ryan Howard were among the game’s top offensive players and Dan Uggla and Mark Reynolds actually mattered with a bat in their hands.  Should the Sox investigate those players, too?  

    Ironically, all of them are probably better choices, since at least they aren’t $20mill albatrosses more the next 4 seasons.   

    OK, maybe not Howard.  He’s a worse choice than Kemp…

     
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    I don't think Kemp is worthless, but I'd want the Dodgers to A) eat a large amount of salary, and B) accept non-core prospects in any deal. I'd guess the odds of that aren't high.

    Again, we should be able to do better.

     
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    Re: Kemp trade re-opens and Sox again interested

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    Betts and Workman and we take the whole contract

    As always - 100% correct!

     



    Not sure Ben would do that.  



    But what about the real guy in charge, Lucchino?

     
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