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    The FO hoped changing managers was the quick fix. In fairness to Valentine,  he never really had a chance. Unless or until they change the culture of the clubhouse, no one will.
     
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    Ouch.
     
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    In Response to Ken Rosenthal:BoSox's woes deeper than doomed Bobby V:
    Ken Rosenthal FoxSports.com, Senior Baseball Writer Bobby V must go, but that's not all with the #RedSox that needs to change. Column: t.co/pEJxrtz0
    Posted by 2004Idiots


    He says that Valentine is the least of the Sox woes. That means to me that of all the Sox woes, Valentine is the least responsible for the situations that have occured. So then he says, let's take the smallest problem, the least reason of the poor play of the team, AND FIRE HIM !!  He loses all credibility with me by saying that, he's simply a BV hater.  Now if he were to advocate correcting the cause of MOST woes and work down to the least problem, he'd make sense. 
     
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal:BoSox's woes deeper than doomed Bobby V

    It was only a matter of time before Rosenthal chimed in -- and said what has already been said many times. 
    Most  of what he says, either in writing or on Fox Saturday, is not worth the time, and his speculation, of which he does a lot, is regularly wrong. 
    Notice that I'm not arguing with the content. It wouldn't be worth the time.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ken Rosenthal:BoSox's woes deeper than doomed Bobby V:
    Rosenthal is a flea. By the time the news is already out, Rosenthal jumps off a grain of sand and pays weak lip service to an issue he hasn't done his homework on. The issue is 100% the current players who are in leadership positions.
    Posted by TrotterNixon

    This cannot be true.  Because if they are the issue then the GM and the manager need to do things about it. That is the job of the manager and the GM. To manage the roster.

      They are employees.  The issue can never be 100 percent the employees.  Because they can be fired, or in this case traded, benched, or DFA'd.

     
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    The next time the players start complaining — and there will be a next time, even after Valentine is gone — the owners should tell them to shut up and stop acting like spoiled children. Spoiled, overpaid, underperforming children who should be seen and not heard.

    Exactly. Get that can of whupass out.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ken Rosenthal:BoSox's woes deeper than doomed Bobby V:
    I have yet to hear any player say publicly that the clubhouse has a problem. That leaves it up to blind speculation as to if a problem indeed exists. You can believe the tabloid / yellow journalism and radio talk shows if you want to and have that personal agenda. If you hear enough guesswork then you will start to believe it as true.
    Posted by Calzone65


    Give me a break Calzone. No player is going to publicly criticize the clubhouse. He would never be able to enter it again. There could be food fights in there every night and the guys would say that all is well.
     
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    Re: Ken Rosenthal:BoSox's woes deeper than doomed Bobby V

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    Ken Rosenthal FoxSports.com, Senior Baseball Writer Bobby V must go, but that's not all with the #RedSox that needs to change. Column: t.co/pEJxrtz0
    Posted by 2004Idiots


    Valentine might need to go, but firing him isn't going to solve anything all by itself. It must be part of a much larger cleaning job. Beckett has to go; thats a given. And I would get rid of Pedroia as he will be insubordinate to any manager not named Francona. What is needed is a return of PROFESSIONALISM....hate to say it...like the Yankees have always had.
     
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    Gordon Edes ‏ @ GordonEdes LL: If it is indeed broke, we will fix it....We'll fix this thing, right this ship. Still time this season to show headed right direction.
    Posted by 2004Idiots


    Too much talk; not enough action.
     
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