Re: Knee Jerk Reactionaries
posted at 10/22/2013 1:34 PM EDT
In response to emp9's comment:
In response to maxbialystock's comment:
In response to RedBirds2013's comment:
These are the best 2 baseball towns in MLB. Both have legions of knowledgeable and true fans spread out all over the country. Both have their share of "pink hat" as well.
Disagree. Boston and New England isn't a "great baseball town". Baseball is the American pasttime because of it's roots in rural America. Nothing reflects that more than the midwest and the southeast. Boston is an elitiest town with a lot of fans who bicker about players and know little about the game of baseball itself. A lot of transient bandwagon fans.
The Cardinals are a part of what the city of St. Louis is all about. There aren't "out of the closet for WS time" fans in St. Loius. It's a baseball team. Boston is not a baseball town. It's a political town that doesn't have an NFL team. The Patriots are called "New England" for a reason. Boston is about the Celtics and politics, with the Red Sox a pinkhat bandwagon passing fancy with a lot of bickering about the current and former players.
The Cardinals have 6 of the position players that are homegrown players, and 3 of the starting and the closer who are all homegrown.
The Red Sox are mostly made up of mercenary Free agents, which reflects Boston. Most of the postion players are veteran free agents, Victornio, Napoli, Drew, Salty, with Ortiz coming over from the Twins. The closer is a FA transplant, and Lackey and Peavy and Dempster are all big FA contract castoffs from other teams.
The Red Sox are starting to value the farm development more than in the past, though trading Iglesias for Peavy certainly is a return to the status quo.
The Cardinals are the superior baseball organization for a reason, which reflects directly on the region and towns the two teams are located.
You better believe Boston reflects American values. Where the heck do you think the American Revolution and some of the writers of the Constitution came from? It is about as close to the heart of American American education as you can get. Every city has its faults, and Boston is no exception, but it is flourishing in a way that St Louis is not.
As for the Sox, they set the MLB record for most consecutive sold out games, 9 years worth although the last year was a little flaky. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. The Sox are a very profitable enterprise and consequently are willing to plow some of those profits back into getting good players.
And what is this nonsense about homegrown players? You ever heard of Stan Musial, who grew up in Pennsylvania, or Ozzie Smith, who grew up in Alabama? We are not talking about little league baseball here, but the Show, and the Show gets players from all around the world, not just the USA. And back in the day when Branch Rickey was the Cards GM and established a farm system, you can bet he didn't say, "not local enough to play for the Cardinals." You know nothing about Cardinals or MLB history.
Max, everyone knows the Mayflower touched down in St. Loius by sea masters Pierre Laclede and Auguste Choutaeu via the Mississippi river, not Cape Cod with master Christopher Jones.
Baseball has deep roots in the northeast. See the link below to the earliest written reference to baseball in 1791 in Pittsfield, Massachusetts.