Lackey and Crawford,,,the two most maligned players become big heroes.

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    Lackey and Crawford,,,the two most maligned players become big heroes.

    Funny how things work out.

    Anyone ashamed of their comments?

     
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    How about that!!!
     
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    The new signature works for you...
     
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    Crawford's pressure relieving tide turning hit and 4 for 4 games is ignored in favor of a sac fly and cryer homer after Crawford and Scutaro staked 2 run lead.

    Crawford wasn't a hero at all, on here or media.

    Lackey was overdue, with his 5 to 6 ERA. No hero, though. Job done, for one game.
     
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    Funny how things work out. Anyone ashamed of their comments?
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    ZILL, I'm not sure I agree with Lackey and Carl becomming hero's just yet.  John is still a pitcher who needs to be watched very closely and kept on a short leash.  When things go bad for John they tend to get worse, unlike Jon or Josh who may have one bad inning but still pitch well after.  I think John pitches more like a #4 or 5 guy, not the 80mil #3 we are paying him to be.

    Carl, I always thought would find his groove at some point and what better time than now.


     
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    Guilty as charged.  I've said some good things about both of them, but more often have dumped on them.  Ellsbury got the rbi's yesterday, but Lackey done great, especially against such a good and lefty-heavy offense.  And Crawford was a great table-setter with 4 hits and 3 runs scored, including the Sox first hit, a double, and first run. 

    If these two can continue along this path, it can only be positive for the Sox. 
     
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    Crawford's pressure relieving tide turning hit and 4 for 4 games is ignored in favor of a sac fly and cryer homer after Crawford and Scutaro staked 2 run lead. Crawford wasn't a hero at all, on here or media. Lackey was overdue, with his 5 to 6 ERA. No hero, though. Job done, for one game.
    Posted by softylaw


    What about his trend since June (3.41 ERA?)
     
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    Steve, a trend since June 1? That would be half the elapsed season. Why is his ERA around 6?

    Steve, would you like Lackey for just paying his remaining contract? I'll take AJ.......................

     
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    In Response to Re: Lackey and Crawford,,,the two most maligned players become big heroes.:
    We will have then only overpaid Lackey by 8 million over 10-11 (when you consider his signing bonus he made 18 million last year). Then he makes 15.25 million each season for the next 3 years. 2 seasons like 2010 and 1 season like his last in LA in 2009 and we come out of the 5 years of John Lackey a lot better than we did the 5 years of J.D. Drew, even if he NEVER has a season like he did 05-07 in LA.
    Posted by rameakap


    ram, I think John is what we see and it probably won't change much pitching more games against AL East teams.

    If Bedard does well and Theo decides to resign him a rotation of Josh, Jon, John, Clay and Eric wouldn't be too shabby.  If Miller or Doubront improve Bedard probably wouldn't be back regardless but that remains to be seen.  I think we all "including myself" need to get over the fact John was really paid to be our #3.

     
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    I think both deserve a hug.

    ...or at the very least an "attaboy!"

    Come on guys, let's have a little love for these two.

    Or are they doomed to be treated like Julio Lugo for the rest of their useful ( Red Sox ) lives?
     
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    "Lackey was overdue, with his 5 to 6 ERA. No hero, though. Job done, for one game"

    No, it doesn't make him a hero, but "job done" is a bit of an underestimate. If we end up winning the division, this could end up being the pivotal game as we looked back. Fact is it was a high pressure situation and Lackey stepped up. Doesn't justify the signing but it is slightly against the script you have written. Job done would apply to a more routine win against the Orioles or what have you. That said it looks like Lackey may be playing in some big post season games the way things look now so we'll see if he can really hack it.
     
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    I agree with Softy on Craw not getting his due ... Els did soem great stuff, but the media and other posters on here seem to concentrate only when Craw has a bad day, and not give him his due when he plays great. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Lackey and Crawford,,,the two most maligned players become big heroes.:
    How about that!!!
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    Zill that is the best damn signature I have ever seen and so very true.
     
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    Since the AS game he has cut his ERA by 2.50
     
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    Funny how things work out. Anyone ashamed of their comments?
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    You seem to be wearing a new hat in recent days. You seem more mellow, tolerant, and loyal than what was normal for you previously. You have gone from a pot stirrer to an appeaser or moderator. It is a welcomed change for the forum.
     
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    I agree with Softy on Craw not getting his due

    You are never supposed to agree with a "racist hating homophobe";)

    Pink hats on here only give due to team pet since 2007.
     
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    Zillagod how does one or even a few games turn them into hero's? Both have been so bad you actually have to wait until the end of 2011 before giving them such a positive grade.
     
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    Zillagod how does one or even a few games turn them into hero's? Both have been so bad you actually have to wait until the end of 2011 before giving them such a positive grade.
    Posted by BurritoT


    Good God, and I thought I was a cynical, pessimist!!!

    Crawford demolished Yankee pitching this weekend, Lackey stepped up in a very big game ( matched against C.C. "Cy Young" Sabathia, no less)after showing very encouraging signs for the past few weeks!!!

    You mean, you can't find it in your heart to think positive about these guys? Not even just a little? these two have just done more in one weekend than Drew has done in 4 1/2 years!!!

    Time for these doubters to eat crow and admit they jumped the gun on judging Lackey and Crawford as "busts."
     
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    I have been critical of Lackey but I have to give him his due for the job he did against the Yanks. And Crawford just tore it up. Maybe Lackey and Crawford are turning their seasons around. Remember, it's not how you start, but how you finish.
     
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    As always devildavid is a complete gentleman and a total nice guy. And loaded with common sense.

    Criticism of players is fine, actually I don't shy away from it myself.

    But when it turns to complete abuse it is just an awful reflection of what fans should be like.

    I have seen too many players abused here, and I think it is sad. I make no bones about my dislike for Drew, I have given up on Daisuke, but I try to stop short at abuse. ( Okay , maybe a few times I got  alittle carried away, but ...just a little...)

    These players (Lugo, Ramirez, Lackey, Crawford, Varitek...even Timlin and othrs) may never be on some Sox fans list of favorites, but why must we cross the line and abuse them mercilessly?

     
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    Zillagod how does one or even a few games turn them into hero's? Both have been so bad you actually have to wait until the end of 2011 before giving them such a positive grade.
    Posted by BurritoT


    State your definition of hero first ( with a time span, long term, short term, week, weekend, season) and then put it out for discussion. Better yet start your own thread with such parameters. Debate and bash SPECIFICS not generalities.
     
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    As always devildavid is a complete gentleman and a total nice guy. And loaded with common sense. Criticism of players is fine, actually I don't shy away from it myself. But when it turns to complete abuse it is just an awful reflection of what fans should be like. I have seen too many players abused here, and I think it is sad. I make no bones about my dislike for Drew, I have given up on Daisuke, but I try to stop short at abuse. ( Okay , maybe a few times I got  alittle carried away, but ...just a little...) These players (Lugo, Ramirez, Lackey, Crawford, Varitek...even Timlin and othrs) may never be on some Sox fans list of favorites, but why must we cross the line and abuse them mercilessly?
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    I feel the same way about Lackey whether he turns out to be a bust or not.  At some point, it is time to back off and realize these guys are human just like us.  We tend to think that money makes the issues go away.  Obviously, in Lackey's case, it does not.  No matter how good the contract, if he is distracted by personal problems, who are we to pile on further?  I wish the guy the best and hope he makes all the doubters east their words.
     
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    i'll west my words.
     
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    In Response to Re: Lackey and Crawford,,,the two most maligned players become big heroes.:
    In Response to Re: Lackey and Crawford,,,the two most maligned players become big heroes. : Good God, and I thought I was a cynical, pessimist!!! Crawford demolished Yankee pitching this weekend, Lackey stepped up in a very big game ( matched against C.C. "Cy Young" Sabathia, no less)after showing very encouraging signs for the past few weeks!!! You mean, you can't find it in your heart to think positive about these guys? Not even just a little? these two have just done more in one weekend than Drew has done in 4 1/2 years!!! Time for these doubters to eat crow and admit they jumped the gun on judging Lackey and Crawford as "busts."
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    Sorry Zill, but you're undermining your whole point here with that kind of over-the-top slam on Drew.  If you can be that hard on him it kind of explains why other people have been so hard on Lackey and Crawford. 
     
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