Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

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    Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    I'm usually one to give the benefit of the doubt to players and can't stand when a few trolls refer to players such as one calling Lackey, Slackey, but yesterday in front of a national audience John Lackey went all too far showing up his manager. I know a few on this site who obviously do not like Tito no matter what he does would probably say nothing was said to Lackey afterwards because Tito is a player's manager who coddles his player, but after Lackey's reaction being taken out of the game something must have been said. 

    Lackey was obviously pretty upset over being taken out as it looked like reading his lips "I don't f--kin believe this" came out of his mouth when he saw Tito headed his way, and the "F' word definitely came out a second time. Then as he left the mound he looked back over his shoulder at Francona. I understand Lackey's competitive nature but you do not show up your manager that way.

    I'm hoping Lackey got a good tongue lashing for this one. 

    Hetchinspete.     
     
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    I like that he cares, that he has fire, etc. But you have to channel it. I doubt Tito cares all that much about Lackey yelling at him, but there is no excuse in Lackey getting pissed at teammates making fielding mistakes. They don't yell at him when he gives up double after double. There's no grey area there ... you can't get pissed at your teammates on the field, period. You want to scream at them in the locker room, that's another matter.

     
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    Lackey being Lackey....i'm ok with it as long as Sox win...and he's had at least 2 winning performances in a row. John is coming through at a time where he is most needed. It doesn't make up for his horrible 1st half of the season, but with the injuries, it's a pleasant surprise.
     
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    In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]Lackey being Lackey....i'm ok with it as long as Sox win...and he's had at least 2 winning performances in a row. John is coming through at a time where he is most needed. It doesn't make up for his horrible 1st half of the season, but with the injuries, it's a pleasant surprise.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    Danny,

    As I've said I'm usually more forgiving than most and Lackey did have two good performances in a row, but yesterday was not one of them. At best yesterday's performance was horrible. He's just lucky the Sox offense scored a lot of runs as it usually does. On another days with less runs scored Tito would most likely have pulled him much earlier.

    Hetchinspete.
     
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    i would like to see the infielders throw there arms up in disgust at Lackey everytime he gives up a gapper or a bomb and see how he likes it. of course our infielders would probably be in orbit from flapping there arms so fast but thats besides the point, sick of his crapYell
     
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    We seem to need something to complain about win or lose.  Lackey reacts that way.  I'm not in love with it but I hardly think Tito is wringing his hands over it.  Tito dealt effectively with Manny also.  The game was won.  It is over...let's move on.
     
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    In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]We seem to need something to complain about win or lose.  Lackey reacts that way.  I'm not in love with it but I hardly think Tito is wringing his hands over it.  Tito dealt effectively with Manny also.  The game was won.  It is over...let's move on.
    Posted by jimdavis[/QUOTE]

    Jim,

    Sorry to disagree as mostly we're on the same page on issues regarding the Red Sox, and I usually do not complain about the Sox. Most of my complaints are about other who never see the positive side of things like the fact the Sox are winning. I do like Lackey's fire but you do not show up or disrespect your manager the way Lackey did. It may not be a divisive issue with the Sox winning right now but it very well could be in the future.

    Hetchinspete
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday. : Danny, As I've said I'm usually more forgiving than most and Lackey did have two good performances in a row, but yesterday was not one of them. At best yesterday's performance was horrible. He's just lucky the Sox offense scored a lot of runs as it usually does. On another days with less runs scored Tito would most likely have pulled him much earlier. Hetchinspete.
    Posted by Hetchinspete[/QUOTE]


     I'm not a big Lackey guy but, he only gave up 4 runs, a lot of hits, but only 3 earned runs. I'm guessing he was more aggravated that he didn't get a chance at a quality start stat !! LOL...  And the Sox don't "Usually" Score a lot of runs for Lackey in six of his losses The Sox had been shut out 3 times, scored 1 run twice, and 3 runs once. Like other Sox pitchers he has gotten good run support when he was the winning pitcher. As far as run support for pitchers I couldn't even find him in the top 108 in Baseball, according to ESPN Stats. Now you can make the argument that since he is such a pain in the rectum the Players won't hit for him and I would probably agree with that because, that is what it looks like.
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday. : Jim, Sorry to disagree as mostly we're on the same page on issues regarding the Red Sox, and I usually do not complain about the Sox. Most of my complaints are about other who never see the positive side of things like the fact the Sox are winning. I do like Lackey's fire but you do not show up or disrespect your manager the way Lackey did. It may not be a divisive issue with the Sox winning right now but it very well could be in the future. Hetchinspete
    Posted by Hetchinspete[/QUOTE]

    I'm not saying I agree with the action.  Although I remember the fire he showed in Fenway in the ALDS when he got pulled early.  I remember liking that fire.  Tito might not love it but he is hardly the first pitcher to react that way when the manage pulled him.
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    Lackey gets fired up and that is fine, as long as pitches quality games.  With the enormous heat he has taken by everybody, being booed constantly, reading article after article about his signing being the worst in history, what do you expect him to do when Scutaro plays so poorly behind him?  Yes, he is animated.  But if that is what it takes for him to win, then he can keep on doing it.  

    My suggestion is don't read his lips ....
     
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    Let me get this straight. :"Lazy" Lackey, he of the 7 ERA and $85 million contract shows up his teammates and manager? "Nerve" is not a big-enough word to describe this guy.
     
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    Let me get this straight. "Lazy" Lackey, he of the 7 ERA and $85 milliion contract, shows up his teammates and manager? "Nerve" is not a big enough word to describe this waste of money.
     
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    In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]Lackey gets fired up and that is fine, as long as pitches quality games.  With the enormous heat he has taken by everybody, being booed constantly, reading article after article about his signing being the worst in history, what do you expect him to do when Scutaro plays so poorly behind him?  Yes, he is animated.  But if that is what it takes for him to win, then he can keep on doing it.   My suggestion is don't read his lips ....
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]

    Soxmeister,

    In some ways I almost agree, and if this is what it takes to get Lackey's fires lit to make him an effective starter, maybe it's better than the complete opposite of an overpaid player who doesn't care and just wants a guaranteed paycheck. Just out of curiousity, I'd love to have been in the clubhouse after the game to see if Tito had any words for Lackey.

    After all is said there is a difference and fine line between showing competitive spirit and fire, and pure disrespect for your manager. My guess is all was forgiven in the clubhouse, especially after a win. If the club is losing all of that changes. 

    Hetchinspete.  
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    Lackey is an emotional guy.  But he needs to keep those emotions in check on the field.  Throwing up his arms and yelling after plays are not made by his infielders looks bad.  He also has to respect the fact that Tito is the manager and just calm down.  These things are alot easier to swallow as long as the team is winning.    
     
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    In Response to Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]I'm usually one to give the benefit of the doubt to players and can't stand when a few trolls refer to players such as one calling Lackey, Slackey, but yesterday in front of a national audience John Lackey went all too far showing up his manager. I know a few on this site who obviously do not like Tito no matter what he does would probably say nothing was said to Lackey afterwards because Tito is a player's manager who coddles his player, but after Lackey's reaction being taken out of the game something must have been said.  Lackey was obviously pretty upset over being taken out as it looked like reading his lips "I don't f--kin believe this" came out of his mouth when he saw Tito headed his way, and the "F' word definitely came out a second time. Then as he left the mound he looked back over his shoulder at Francona. I understand Lackey's competitive nature but you do not show up your manager that way. I'm hoping Lackey got a good tongue lashing for this one.  Hetchinspete.     
    Posted by Hetchinspete[/QUOTE]

    It wasn't national tv, but the attitude is consistent even with his days in Cali.  Taking him out of a game has often been a moment flashpoint.

    I think it's irritating to us to see it, but since he was finally starting to pitch farely well I can see his side some.  Of the 33 times he could help the team, his opportunities are shrinking and he wanted to make the best/most of it.


    I still don't like the drama queen bit, but I sorta understand.
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    if you watched him with the Halos' it's nothing new, i recall at two times against the Yanks, Lack just about busted an artery when Scoscia came with the hook...along with the often mentioned reaction to booted balls...i don't think it's always intentional, maybe just a snap reation, but it does look bad..
     
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    In Response to Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]I'm usually one to give the benefit of the doubt to players and can't stand when a few trolls refer to players such as one calling Lackey, Slackey, but yesterday in front of a national audience John Lackey went all too far showing up his manager. I know a few on this site who obviously do not like Tito no matter what he does would probably say nothing was said to Lackey afterwards because Tito is a player's manager who coddles his player, but after Lackey's reaction being taken out of the game something must have been said.  Lackey was obviously pretty upset over being taken out as it looked like reading his lips "I don't f--kin believe this" came out of his mouth when he saw Tito headed his way, and the "F' word definitely came out a second time. Then as he left the mound he looked back over his shoulder at Francona. I understand Lackey's competitive nature but you do not show up your manager that way. I'm hoping Lackey got a good tongue lashing for this one.  Hetchinspete.     
    Posted by Hetchinspete[/QUOTE]

    I'm sure there were good reasons the Angels didn't want to keep Lackey and we have already seen a couple of them.
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    Lackey is in no position to show up anybody.     He already has a tantrum when one of his teammates makes a bad fielding play now he shows up his manager.  The guy is a real hoot.
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    Dat da wei Lackey be. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.:
    [QUOTE]I like his attitude, lets me know he's all in and if he is going through hard times, he's putting a fight. Ballclubs need this kind of people to stir things up and keep people awake.
    Posted by Cuthbertallbad[/QUOTE]

    unbelievable

     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    I don't have a problem with Lackey being ticked about being removed from the game.  I didn't see it, but I don't think it's showing the manager up.  He wants to stay in the game.  I like the fact that he's a battler and he wants to clean up his own mess.  I would be more concerned if he wanted to be removed.

    Showing frustration towards his teammates is another story.
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    Francona was justified in taking him out.  107 pitches 2 men on.  I know Lackey wanted to get the last out there, but he had a long day.

    As far as his antics, in some ways I'm glad he gets it out of his system and doesn't hold it in where it could fester into his pitching.  At any rate, it's for the ball club to handle not the fans.
     
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    Re: Lackey showing up Francona on national TV yesterday.

    My feeling is that if it does not bother the team, it is fine.  If it does, they will take care of it in private.  That is the way they try to do things.  Also, I would rather he yell at his manager when he gets taken out then wait until he gets to the dugout and take out his frustrations on a water cooler or the dugout wall and injure himself.  We have seen that happen before to pitchers. 
     
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