Last and most important stand

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    Hey everyone, I admit being very honest about my dissapointed in guys like Lackey, Wake and others this season but regardless who may be offended it's exactly why we are in this position.  I also feel when a team comes down with an injury every day or two to a significant player, there could be issues with our training staff, or lack of work effort by certain players.

    Lets throw this all away for the next four games and see if we can dominate and finally put Tampa away after allowing them back in the race. 

    Game #1 Weiland, I'm not sure who gave this kid the credibility to allow him to pitch in the majors but from what I have seen, he really isn't that good sorry.  Game one should be interesting and hopefully our offense is focused.

    Games #2 and 3 Tampa's offense isn't even in the same class as the Sox, so in my opinion if they can get to our two best pitchers there is no reason we can't do the same and score more.

    Game #4  I was happy to see Wake win his 200th, but it will take our offense and pen to win this game.  Wake "I love you" but its time to retire after the season.  Just pitch the best you can and hope for a lot of offensive support.

     
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    Just waiting for them to announce the lineup. What really has to change is Crawford batting .158 and AGone batting .163 vs Tampa this season.
     
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    You're correct. Last and most important are really rather ominous. What if, as I see happening, we get swept. Can we all agree that it would be over then? Lester is our only real hope in this series, and we saw what happen last time out vs. the Rays.
     
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    that's why we play the games...
     
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    [QUOTE]Hey everyone, I admit being very honest about my dissapointed in guys like Lackey, Wake and others this season but regardless who may be offended it's exactly why we are in this position.  I also feel when a team comes down with an injury every day or two to a significant player, there could be issues with our training staff, or lack of work effort by certain players. Lets throw this all away for the next four games and see if we can dominate and finally put Tampa away after allowing them back in the race.  Game #1 Weiland, I'm not sure who gave this kid the credibility to allow him to pitch in the majors but from what I have seen, he really isn't that good sorry.  Game one should be interesting and hopefully our offense is focused. Games #2 and 3 Tampa's offense isn't even in the same class as the Sox, so in my opinion if they can get to our two best pitchers there is no reason we can't do the same and score more. Game #4   I was happy to see Wake win his 200th, but it will take our offense and pen to win this game.  Wake "I love you" but its time to retire after the season.  Just pitch the best you can and hope for a lot of offensive support.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]

    This is the time to show everyone in baseball what our team has.  Forget the Tampa pitchers they can all be beat.
     
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    [QUOTE]You're correct. Last and most important are really rather ominous. What if, as I see happening, we get swept. Can we all agree that it would be over then? Lester is our only real hope in this series, and we saw what happen last time out vs. the Rays.
    Posted by sindarin-erebor[/QUOTE]

    Well, um, no, actually.  Even if they do get swept ... which they won't ... Tampa would be 1 game ahead.  Why would we agree that it is over then?  Sindarin, you've really gone deep into the dark place.  Buck up little camper, this is baseball.  You just never know.
     
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    It ain't over 'til it's over. 

    This is a huge series, no question, but this week has already shown us that Tampa is no juggernaut.  So, even if they win 3 or 4, it ain't over. 
     
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    [QUOTE]It ain't over 'til it's over.  This is a huge series, no question, but this week has already shown us that Tampa is no juggernaut.  So, even if they win 3 or 4, it ain't over. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    Tampa had a great schedule early on and have stayed relatively healthy throughout the year, otherwise they would be ten or more games back easiliy max.  If the Sox can win with Weiland on the mound tonight I think it will give us the confinence in all four games to virtually put Tampa away.
     
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      The Sox under Tito have shown great resilency, and I expect 3 out 4 for Sox, then get team i.e. pitching set-up for another historic post-season run.
     
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    [QUOTE]  The Sox under Tito have shown great resilency, and I expect 3 out 4 for Sox, then get team i.e. pitching set-up for another historic post-season run.
    Posted by attic-dan[/QUOTE]

    Its also time for Crawford to hurt his old team in our defense.  Jennings is the real deal so I can understand why they let CC go.  A strong finish for CC could really help our cause down the stretch and his own confidence heading into the PS.
     
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    as a history guy, I wince when i hear "Last Stand"....let's not call it that
     
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    OK, I was being a pessimist on an optimistic thread.  In the modern (John Henry) era, optimism is justified.  But my pessimism is pretty old (since 1949). 

    So I am hopeful, but worried. 
     
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    Can`t have anything less than a split. 
     
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    This last series against the Rays is extremely important! That being said i think the sox will play well these next three games, they went through the first stretch of the season in a funk and got over it, they will get over it this time as well. The sox since 2004 have been able to work in a few pleasent suprises!

     
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    [QUOTE]as a history guy, I wince when i hear "Last Stand"....let's not call it that
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    Anyway you slice it, the 276 lost at Little Big Horn dented the Indian cause. It created a greater emphasis on eradicating American Red Indians by the federal govt (calvary/army). It was a great Indian victory but at great cost to the overall previous indifference in dealing with Indians by whites. The Indians said we're here, and the American civilization said, "oh really, we'll see about that." Manifest Destiny. 
     
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    While this series against the Rays is important,the upcoming 3 game series with the Yankees could prove pivotal as to who wins the AL East. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Last and most important stand : Anyway you slice it, the 276 lost at Little Big Horn dented the Indian cause. It created a greater emphasis on eradicating American Red Indians by the federal govt (calvary/army). It was a great Indian victory but at great cost to the overall previous indifference in dealing with Indians by whites. The Indians said we're here, and the American civilization said, "oh really, we'll see about that." Manifest Destiny. 
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]
      you are 100% correct - the victory was short-lived - the 7th cavalry was liquidated that day in 1876 but it hardened white feelings towards the Indian and in 1890 the reformed 7th cavalry got their revenge - by killing about 200 women and children and a handful of warriors at Wounded Knee..and that was the Native American last stand...reservations and casinos after that...either way Im pretty sure Sitting Bull would not have been impressed....

    'There are no Indians left but me"
    -Sitting Bull
     
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    The Mexican War was manifest destiny run amuck--see Ulysses S. Grant's memoirs. 

    The government, going all the way back to the original colonists, were never indifferent to the Indians.  In 1636 the Massachusetts Bay Colony created two regiments of militia, pretty much to deal with Indians.

    While our record with the Indians is not one to be proud of, it was not based on a desire to eradicate them.  Custer might have had that in mind, but he was an idiot.  The closest we ever came to eradication was the American Civil War, with casualties greater than all other American wars combined.  Speaking of which, after the Civil War the Union had the means--a large Army with lots of guns-- to eradicate the American Indian if it wanted to, but it did not.    
     
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    yeah, but Bull was a sellout anyway, as he was in the Buffalo Bill Showcase exhibitions and made money off of his own "history." Bull was a helluva leader, but a bit of a sellout later in life.
     
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    [QUOTE]The Mexican War was manifest destiny run amuck--see Ulysses S. Grant's memoirs.  The government, going all the way back to the original colonists, were never indifferent to the Indians.  In 1636 the Massachusetts Bay Colony created two regiments of militia, pretty much to deal with Indians. While our record with the Indians is not one to be proud of, it was not based on a desire to eradicate them.  Custer might have had that in mind, but he was an idiot.  The closest we ever came to eradication was the American Civil War, with casualties greater than all other American wars combined.  Speaking of which, after the Civil War the Union had the means--a large Army with lots of guns-- to eradicate the American Indian if it wanted to, but it did not.    
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    Gee, you quote history like you dismiss Wakefield in baseball. Custer was not an idiot, he was overzealous, but not an idiot. If anything the guy was ahead of his time when it came to Indian relations with the white man. Hell, he tried his best to make sure there was co-habitation. It was the politics of his job and that his job was taken away from him by Grant due to his remarks about the ridiculous Grant administration that got him in hot water. Calling Custer an idiot is like saying Wakefield doesn't help the Sox staff. You are wrong on both counts. 

     
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    Custer wasn't exactly a slouch in two important Civil War battles, especially at Bull Run. Grant wish he had more leaders like Custer in his command. 
     
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    In the anti-war movie Little Big Man, there was a hysterical interpretation of Custer made by a fine actor Richard Mulligan (Empty Nest, and Soap). I think way too many people look at Custer as Mulligan portrayed him--not very bright. 
     
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    [QUOTE]yeah, but Bull was a sellout anyway, as he was in the Buffalo Bill Showcase exhibitions and made money off of his own "history." Bull was a helluva leader, but a bit of a sellout later in life.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    The Indians in general were great warriors, but in the end they all had to "sell out."  Later, some of them chose to be warriors again in the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, etc.  I know one who was in the Gulf War.

    Heck, Geronimo was at the 1905 World Fair in St Louis and had a great time.  He met the President of the US.  But on his death bed he regretted surrendering to the US Cavalry circa 1888. 
     
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    i agree with that assessment, max on most of the American Indians, even the great Olympian Jim Thorpe was about the almighty dollar later in life. He got screwed over by the system to lose his medals for playing organized baseball. It was done because of his race, I'm positive of that. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Last and most important stand : Well, um, no, actually.  Even if they do get swept ... which they won't ... Tampa would be 1 game ahead.  Why would we agree that it is over then?  Sindarin, you've really gone deep into the dark place.  Buck up little camper, this is baseball.  You just never know.
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    If the Sox get swept, the two teams would be tied.  Sox enter tonite 4 games up.

    If you are referring to the head-to-head tiebreaker advatage, that is not applicable unless both teams are already in the post-season.  It is never used to eliminate a team from post-season...
     

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