Last nights game

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    Lord of the Flies probably had better acting though. Depends on the version. The English did it beat.
     
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    Some clown on WEEI just said the Sox should go with Lackey over Bedard in the play-offs because Bedard had not won a game yet with Boston and Lackey was "Lucky Lackey".... uh what? Rofl! 
     
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    Burrito, there you go. That is a perfect example of someone who doesn't watch baseball, just watches the word "Win" v. performance.
     
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    Am dreading listening to the Texas announcers talk about how slow Beckett pitches.  Minutes per batter, etc.
     
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    Am dreading listening to the Texas announcers talk about how slow Beckett pitches.  Minutes per batter, etc.
    Posted by chuchos


    If I know Josh, he will probably slow things down even more just provoke even more :)
     
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    In Response to Re: Last nights game : If I know Josh, he will probably slow things down even more just provoke even more :)
    Posted by craze4sox


    i hope he does slow it down..makes them go at his pace..and it frustrated everyone taking them off their game..
     
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    Beckett has replaced Frank Castillo as the Mike Hargrove-anointed Human Pitcher Rain Delay.
     
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    Good game, no question.  Lackey continues to frighten RSN, but somehow hangs in there.  AGon was great, but so were others despite absence of 2 of the big 5.  Big win while the Yankees were losing. 

    25,000 attendance at a game that started at 103 degrees tell me Texas fans are the toughest in the nation.  Wow. 

    I thought the Ellsbury SB was a terrific boost for everyone even though he never got on base again. 

    Team win, but still kudos to Lackey, a distant relation to Harry Houdini. 

     
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    Lewis didn't do his job btw, he gave up 7 ER, and did not do his job. The funny part about the Lackey games is that since the Sox are winning, fewer and fewer people attempt to rip him. Because Wakefield hasn't gotten a personal pitching win in has last 5 starts, even though in 4 of them he threw well enough to keep his team in the game, it's resulted in Release him yesterday threads. Wins make all the hate go away. Except the SP isn't so responsible for the wins as much as people tend to think here. It takes a good pen--Morales gets out of a jam, or Lackey allowed 5 runs. Aceves throws a gem 8th. Wheeler albeit for 1 garbage homer and then nothing else. Helps that the team had a 7-run lead too. Wakefield hasn't had a big lead since the 199th win. Gee, let me think. Runs, road home runs (2 by AGON), big offense on the road--team wins. Great pitching performances by the SPs leading to wins on the road---not so much, no offense to support them.
    Posted by dannycater


    Boston fans are far better than fans in almost any city at recognizing achievements beyond simple stats like W/L.
    The release wakefield threads are always there, whether he wins or loses.    I never understood why there are so many wakefield haters out there.  i guess it's just because when he's bad he can be really bad.  To me there aren't many games more enjoyable than watching Wake when he's on.  He works fast and can get the defense on and off the field in 2 minutes.
     
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    Beckett has replaced Frank Castillo as the Mike Hargrove-anointed Human Pitcher Rain Delay.
    Posted by dannycater


    Please don't bring up Hargrove.  What a nightmare that guy was.  I think pitchers would sometimes just give in and walk him rather than endure further torture.  He had a career OBP of .396, against Boston it was .420.


     
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    Good game, no question.  Lackey continues to frighten RSN, but somehow hangs in there.  AGon was great, but so were others despite absence of 2 of the big 5.  Big win while the Yankees were losing.  25,000 attendance at a game that started at 103 degrees tell me Texas fans are the toughest in the nation.  Wow.  I thought the Ellsbury SB was a terrific boost for everyone even though he never got on base again.  Team win, but still kudos to Lackey, a distant relation to Harry Houdini. 
    Posted by maxbialystock



    i think those 25,000 stayed after the game and prayed for rain.
    i don't know about toughest, but they sure are the  prayingest.

    i'm guessing the sox and rangers get rained out tonight.
     
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    Lackey is tough, give him credit for that.  Why he walks so many when he appears to have good control is beyond me.   But he is a fighter.  
     
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    People need to stop judging pitchers or over-analyzing pitchers when the Sox score 3 runs or less for them. It's 10 times harder to pitch out of a jam when it's 1-0 than it is 11-4. Had Lackey been given 1 run yesterday, and the Sox lost 5-1 (include the homer in the 9th by Texas), how much you want to bet that this room would have 4 Lackey threads requesting his ouster from the rotation, as people have seen enough (I said that but after the 8 run debacle v. Toronto when he was really throwing his all-time worst). In fact, it would have been worse if the final score was a 5-3 loss. Then it would be, he walked in a run, he lost his composure. But when your team scores 11, the perception changes. Everything changes from the fan perspective. Winning games are great, I wish Bedard, Wakefield, and Beckett would get better offense behind them WHEN THEY ARE STILL on the mound. I hate games where the final score doesn't show that the score of the game was 3-1 opponent when the SP left a game in the 7th or 8th. That's why the offense is the predominant reason why the Sox win on the road. Not the starting pitching. It's the offense. They get the big offensive performances and they win. They have had mostly consistent SP for most of the season, so few implosions in the 2nd or 3rd, so few times that a SP didn't make it at least to the 6th. That is hard to do. But they lose when they don't put up runs, and they win often when they are scoring in the 5s or better. It's just the way it is for this team. They don't win the close low scoring games as much as other teams might. They win when the offense explodes, the homers leave the yard--on the road, especially.
    Posted by dannycater


    Hey Danny,

    Last I checked the team that scores 1 more than the other wins the game...basically I agree with your above post, but it's not only the Sox that follow that trend in fact it is the entire league.

    />The Sox have scored 547 in thier 78 wins or 7.01 per game and 134 in their 50 losses or 2.68 per game.

    />The Yanks have scored 536 runs in their 77 wins or 6.91 pergame and 144 in their 49 losses or 2.93...

    For some perspective...

    />the Rays have scored 405 runs in their 69 wins or 5.86 per game and in thier 58 losses have scored only 126 or 2.17

    here the breakdown by AL and NL as of this mornings standinging!
    ALWins RPG  Loss RPG 
    NY Yankees776.96  492.94
    Boston787.01  502.76
    Tampa Bay695.87  582.57
    Toronto656.69  631.89
    Baltimore495.71  771.61
    Detroit705.86    583.45
    Cleveland635.86  631.65
    Chicago Sox635.62  641.72
    Minnesota555.49  731.26
    Kansas City536.11  762.25
    Texas746.64  562.66
    LA Angels705.43  592.29
    Oakland585.45  702.27
    Seattle554.95  731.93
    NLWins RPG Loss RPG 
    Philadelphia835.83  442.20
    Atlanta785.27  522.21
    Washington625.16  651.75
    NY Mets606.28   682.07
    Florida575.60  712.20
    Milwaukee785.74  532.28
    St. Louis676.07  621.50
    Cincinnati636.41  651.86
    Pittsburgh605.42  682.13
    Chi Cubs565.70  731.97
    Houston425.62  871.18
    Arizona705.84  592.41
    San Fran684.69  612.07
    Colorado626.56  681.57
    San Diego605.90  702.20
    LA Dodgers595.53  691.57

    Do you see a trend...score 5 or more and your chances of winning increase, score 3 runs or less and your chances of losing increase and the crazy part of it is you don't have have a Red Sox uniform on for this "math" to work!
     
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    People need to stop judging pitchers or over-analyzing pitchers when the Sox score 3 runs or less for them. It's 10 times harder to pitch out of a jam when it's 1-0 than it is 11-4. Had Lackey been given 1 run yesterday, and the Sox lost 5-1 (include the homer in the 9th by Texas), how much you want to bet that this room would have 4 Lackey threads requesting his ouster from the rotation, as people have seen enough (I said that but after the 8 run debacle v. Toronto when he was really throwing his all-time worst). In fact, it would have been worse if the final score was a 5-3 loss. Then it would be, he walked in a run, he lost his composure. But when your team scores 11, the perception changes. Everything changes from the fan perspective. Winning games are great, I wish Bedard, Wakefield, and Beckett would get better offense behind them WHEN THEY ARE STILL on the mound. I hate games where the final score doesn't show that the score of the game was 3-1 opponent when the SP left a game in the 7th or 8th. That's why the offense is the predominant reason why the Sox win on the road. Not the starting pitching. It's the offense. They get the big offensive performances and they win. They have had mostly consistent SP for most of the season, so few implosions in the 2nd or 3rd, so few times that a SP didn't make it at least to the 6th. That is hard to do. But they lose when they don't put up runs, and they win often when they are scoring in the 5s or better. It's just the way it is for this team. They don't win the close low scoring games as much as other teams might. They win when the offense explodes, the homers leave the yard--on the road, especially.
    Posted by dannycater


    DC,

    Josh, Jon and Clay in many cases can pitch with three runs or less and we don't really mind when they lose because they rarely give up more than four or five on a good day.  Same can be said about Bedard but so far we have given him very little run support.  With Lackey, I would think Theo expected and ERA of at the most 4.35 or so to hand him 80 mil.  In most cases John will give up much more unless Francona pulls him in time.  John has been fortunate to have the record he does and he can thank our offense.  That's why many feel Lackey wasn't worth the money.  Although I do love the fight in John he would scare the heck out of me in a big PS matchup. 

    With Miller, Wake etc. we all realize they are normally the fifth or sixth option in the rotation so another run or two is expected.
     
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    In Response to Re: Last nights game : I would have to go with Lackey's pitching. The "Fly Procreation Video" is rather dull unless the male fly is on Viagra. Judge for yourself!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szieF03yW2A
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    Yeah, I got pretty disinterested about two minutes in. I will say this, Yazzer is pretty good with a camera.
     
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    In Response to Re: Last nights game : DC, Josh, Jon and Clay in many cases can pitch with three runs or less and we don't really mind when they lose because they rarely give up more than four or five on a good day.  Same can be said about Bedard but so far we have given him very little run support.  With Lackey, I would think Theo expected and ERA of at the most 4.35 or so to hand him 80 mil.  In most cases John will give up much more unless Francona pulls him in time.  John has been fortunate to have the record he does and he can thank our offense.  That's why many feel Lackey wasn't worth the money.  Although I do love the fight in John he would scare the heck out of me in a big PS matchup.  With Miller, Wake etc. we all realize they are normally the fifth or sixth option in the rotation so another run or two is expected.
    Posted by craze4sox


    I am becoming less and less a fan of using ERA as a means of judging a pitchers effectiveness because rarely do pitchers ever pitch 9 innings, which is the math used to arrive at the current ERA...the reality if that todays pitchers are 6 inning guys, so if we change the way we evaluate a pitcher from earned runs allowed per 9 to all runs allowed per start, it gives you and entirely different perspective. That's not to dismiss ERA completely nor as irrelevant, it's just not an acurate means to judge the amount of runs a pitcher is likely to yeild in a particular start....

    Here's the top 20 ERA leaders in MLB...
    RAA= average of all runs allowed per start
    ERAA= average of all earned runs allowed per start...

    RKPLAYERGS R ER ERA RAA ERAA
    1Cueto20 41 30 2.03 2.05 1.50
    2Weaver26 45 44 2.10 1.73 1.69
    3Verlander28 59 53 2.28 2.11 1.89
    4Beckett24 44 43 2.46 1.83 1.79
    5Vogelsong21 45 37 2.47 2.14 1.76
    6Kershaw27 58 53 2.51 2.15 1.96
    7Lincecum26 54 48 2.53 2.08 1.85
    8Halladay26 57 54 2.56 2.19 2.08
    9Hamels25 50 50 2.62 2.00 2.00
    10Cliff Lee26 58  56 2.71 2.23 2.15
    11Jurrjens22 46 44 2.71 2.09 2.00
    12Romero25 59 53 2.73 2.36 2.12
    13Masterson27 65 57 2.83 2.41 2.11
    14Kuroda25 58 51 2.88 2.32 2.04
    15Cain27 67 58 2.90 2.48 2.15
    16Sabathia27 73 65 2.96 2.70 2.41
    17Haren27 67 63 2.98 2.48 2.33
    18Hudson26  66 57 3.01 2.54 2.19
    19Hellickson22 50 48 3.04 2.27 2.18
    20Shields26 70 65 3.05 2.69 2.50

    Here' the next 20...al of the guys in the top fourty with the exception of Garcia yeild less than 3 runs per start, yet being with Hellickson @ 19 the ERA is above 3.
    RKPLAYERGS RER ERA RAA ERAA Dif
    21Wilson27 75 62 3.08 2.78 2.30-.30
    22Kennedy27 64 62 3.09 2.37 2.30-.72
    23Karstens23 59 51 3.09 2.57 2.22-.52
    24Zimmermann25 59 54 3.10 2.36 2.16-.74
    25Lester24 56 54 3.16 2.33 2.25-.83
    26Santana27 73 67 3.17 2.70 2.48-.47
    27Buehrle25 69 60 3.19 2.76 2.40-.43
    28Baker21 50 47 3.21 2.38 2.24-.83
    29Gonzalez25 66 56 3.24 2.64 2.24-.60
    30Harrison24 63 54 3.28 2.63 2.25-.66
    RKOgando24 59 54 3.30 2.46 2.25-.84
    31Rodriguez23 59 54 3.31 2.57 2.35-.74
    32Marcum27 62 60 3.39 2.30 2.221.09
    33Hernandez28 81 75 3.40 2.89 2.68.51
    34Morton23 61 53 3.42 2.65 2.30-.77
    35Stauffer26 65 61 3.43 2.50 2.35-.93
    36Wolf26 71 64 3.45 2.73 2.46-.72
    37Garcia26 79 61 3.45 3.04 2.35-.41
    38Fister25 71 65 3.49 2.84 2.60-.65
    39Chacin26 69 64 3.49 2.65 2.46-.84

    Lackey's...who has the worst ERA of all MLB that qualified...in 22 starts has allowed 89 runs-86 earned his ERA is 5.98...his RAA is 4.04 his ERAA is 3.90
     
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    JIMFROMFLORIDA wrote.... "So Lackey is lucky when the defense plays well and gets behind 3-0 and gets out of it is beyond your comprehension???????

    I bet if it was Beckett or Lester your comments would be.

    A great job by XXXXXXXX after he walked that run in and went to 3-0 I thought for sure the game was over. However the greatness of XXXXXXX showed through when he came back and got the outs he needed.

    Which is what most RS fans would say.BTW since the AS game he is 6-1 4.65 ERA with 3 wins against TB, Tex and NYY "

    What are you, Lackey's mom?  He threw 4 straight balls to walk in a run and 3 straight balls to Hamilton.  He's lucky, yes lucky, that one of the best hitters in the league didn't take his 3-0 pitch and put it over the fence.

    How anyone can applaud a pitching performance like that is a mystery.

    You are correct - since the AS break, he's 6-1 with an ERA of 4.65 and an opponent batting average of .311

    Wakefield has a 4.67 ERA for the month of August with 4 starts and is 0-1 and an opponent batting average of 2.82.  What's that tell you other than Lackey has been luckier than Wakefield?

    Oh, and in August, Lackey has an era of 5.34.  It's been one of his worst months of the season, despite the run support he's gotten.
     
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    In Response to Re: Last nights game : I am becoming less and less a fan of using ERA as a means of judging a pitchers effectiveness because rarely do pitchers ever pitch 9 innings, which is the math used to arrive at the current ERA...the reality if that todays pitchers are 6 inning guys, so if we change the way we evaluate a pitcher from earned runs allowed per 9 to all runs allowed per start, it gives you and entirely different perspective. That's not to dismiss ERA completely nor as irrelevant, it's just not an acurate means to judge the amount of runs a pitcher is likely to yeild in a particular start.... Here's the top 20 ERA leaders in MLB... RAA= average of all runs allowed per start ERAA= average of all earned runs allowed per start... RK PLAYER GS  R ER  ERA  RAA  ERAA 1 Cueto 20  41  30  2.03  2.05  1.50 2 Weaver 26  45  44  2.10  1.73  1.69 3 Verlander 28  59  53  2.28  2.11  1.89 4 Beckett 24  44  43  2.46  1.83  1.79 5 Vogelsong 21  45  37  2.47  2.14  1.76 6 Kershaw 27  58  53  2.51  2.15  1.96 7 Lincecum 26  54  48  2.53  2.08  1.85 8 Halladay 26  57  54  2.56  2.19  2.08 9 Hamels 25  50  50  2.62  2.00  2.00 10 Cliff Lee 26  58  56  2.71  2.23  2.15 11 Jurrjens 22  46  44  2.71  2.09  2.00 12 Romero 25  59  53  2.73  2.36  2.12 13 Masterson 27  65  57  2.83  2.41  2.11 14 Kuroda 25  58  51  2.88  2.32  2.04 15 Cain 27  67  58  2.90  2.48  2.15 16 Sabathia 27  73  65  2.96  2.70  2.41 17 Haren 27  67  63  2.98  2.48  2.33 18 Hudson 26  66  57  3.01  2.54  2.19 19 Hellickson 22  50  48  3.04  2.27  2.18 20 Shields 26  70  65  3.05  2.69  2.50 Here' the next 20...al of the guys in the top fourty with the exception of Garcia yeild less than 3 runs per start, yet being with Hellickson @ 19 the ERA is above 3. RK PLAYER GS  R ER  ERA  RAA  ERAA  Dif 21 Wilson 27  75  62  3.08  2.78  2.30 -.30 22 Kennedy 27  64  62  3.09  2.37  2.30 -.72 23 Karstens 23  59  51  3.09  2.57  2.22 -.52 24 Zimmermann 25  59  54  3.10  2.36  2.16 -.74 25 Lester 24  56  54  3.16  2.33  2.25 -.83 26 Santana 27  73  67  3.17  2.70  2.48 -.47 27 Buehrle 25  69  60  3.19  2.76  2.40 -.43 28 Baker 21  50  47  3.21  2.38  2.24 -.83 29 Gonzalez 25  66  56  3.24  2.64  2.24 -.60 30 Harrison 24  63  54  3.28  2.63  2.25 -.66 RK Ogando 24  59  54  3.30  2.46  2.25 -.84 31 Rodriguez 23  59  54  3.31  2.57  2.35 -.74 32 Marcum 27  62  60  3.39  2.30  2.22 1.09 33 Hernandez 28  81  75  3.40  2.89  2.68 .51 34 Morton 23  61  53  3.42  2.65  2.30 -.77 35 Stauffer 26  65  61  3.43  2.50  2.35 -.93 36 Wolf 26  71  64  3.45  2.73  2.46 -.72 37 Garcia 26  79  61  3.45  3.04  2.35 -.41 38 Fister 25  71  65  3.49  2.84  2.60 -.65 39 Chacin 26  69  64  3.49  2.65  2.46 -.84 Lackey's...who has the worst ERA of all MLB that qualified...in 22 starts has allowed 89 runs-86 earned his ERA is 5.98...his RAA is 4.04 his ERAA is 3.90
    Posted by Beantowne


    beantowne, I agree pitchers shouldn't be judged on 9 innings when they rarely complete a game and it certainly does skew their stats.  In Lackeys case it appears Theo really misjudged his value.  John also has the misfortune of pitching around three "maybe even four" guys that we all see pitch better in most cases yet a couple of them make much less.  This makes John an easy target for criticism.  Personally, I likes John's competitive nature but it's sort of like having Dice back in the rotation which scares the heck out of me.  Many fans "including myself" just need to look at John as he is at moment which is more like our #4, maybe even 5 guy and forget what he makes. 

    With that said I still feel we have a very good rotation when everyone is healthy and feel Bedard could be a good signing to finish off our top five next season if he pitches well.  Bedard needs to have a game soon where our offense dominates to make him feel he doesn't need to be perfect just to win a game.



     
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    Just so I'm it clear on Monday, Bedard pitched well enough to win, gave up 4 in 6 2/3 rd and lost becasue of lack of run support...

    Then the very next game against the same lineup....

    Lackey pitched poorly, gave up 4 runs in 6 2/3rd and the team won in spite of his lackluster effort?

    Sound about right?

    In the end no one can make a case that Lackey is having anything less than a substandard year...but you also have to give him credit when it's due...

     
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    Just so I'm it clear on Monday, Bedard pitched well enough to win, gave up 4 in 6 2/3 rd and lost becasue of lack of run support... Then the very next game against the same lineup.... Lackey pitched poorly, gave up 4 runs in 6 2/3rd and the team won in spite of his lackluster effort? Sound about right? In the end no one can make a case that Lackey is having anything less than a substandard year...but you also have to give him credit when it's due...
    Posted by Beantowne


    This is what I'm driving at. Perception v. Performance. Anytime a Sox pitcher pitches well and the team either 1. doesn't score runs, 2. loses, it's somehow the SP not doing his job because he can't hold the other team to 1 or 2 runs....you know AN ACE. Every Sox pitcher is expected to pitch like an ACE, and even at that, the ACES themselves can't compete with that type of lack of support. In contrast, every time the pitcher pitches not well, or mediocre, and the team scores 9 or 10 or 12, 1. the pitcher gets credit for a "W"; 2. the pitcher is hailed as being gutty, gritty, a gamer. Wakefield has been thrown under a bus by just about every regular poster at some point in some thread except for me and moon. He gives up 5 runs in 8 IP and "he can't pitch in the rotation, he can't be relied on, leave him off the playoff roster, he can't go 5 IP, he throws a wiffle ball, guys hit homers off him"....He leaves with a 4-3 lead v. Minny, and the team goes on to lose, and it's "Release him, the 200th chase is a distraction, he's terrible!!!" ...He trails 3-1 to Chicago in the 7th inning, and he got abuse for that. It's incredible how much luckier Lackey is on the mound than Wakefield in 2011 (or even Beckett). I hope Lackey leads the team in wins, which is going to happen for sure in my opinion. But where would Lackey be if in his last 7 or 8 starts, the team didn't score runs for him. What would the perception be then? He has done a nice job at lowering his numbers, and a nice job at keeping his team in the game, but without the offense, he'd be toast on this forum and possibly toast in the Sox rotation. Starting pitching in baseball has become an illusion--Verlander is an exception, but he also goes longer per start than anyone. It's more about pitching innings where a SP can determine his own destiny. SPs rarely control their own destiny anymore due to pitch counts and bullpens. The Sox just happen to have a great bullpen.
     
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    Just so I'm it clear on Monday, Bedard pitched well enough to win, gave up 4 in 6 2/3 rd and lost becasue of lack of run support... Then the very next game against the same lineup.... Lackey pitched poorly, gave up 4 runs in 6 2/3rd and the team won in spite of his lackluster effort? Sound about right? In the end no one can make a case that Lackey is having anything less than a substandard year...but you also have to give him credit when it's due...
    Posted by Beantowne


    The only difference being Bedard really only made one bad pitch.  I would still give Erik more credit for shutting down Texas before that HR and considering he had no runs to work with.  Lackey, well I think we saw a bit of a meltdown against the same lineup and it could have been much worse.

    What's done is done tonights a new game.
     
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    Give props to Lewis for serving up all those pitches up in the zone, early in the game.
    Posted by Alibiike


    Lewis leads the league in 'props' in as much as he has given up the most homers of any starting pitcher.
     
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    In Response to Re: Last nights game : The only difference being Bedard really only made one bad pitch.  I would still give Erik more credit for shutting down Texas before that HR and considering he had no runs to work with.  Lackey, well I think we saw a bit of a meltdown against the same lineup and it could have been much worse. What's done is done tonights a new game.
    Posted by craze4sox

    that's right, craze, bedard made one bad pitch. Wakefield has had couple of games where he also made 1 bad pitch, and it resulted in a 2-run or 3-run homer. It happens. It doesn't take away from the overall performance. Look at the individual games, don't judge based on straight ERA, straight Ws for a SP. Is the pitcher giving up fewer baserunners, is the pitcher throwing scoreless frames, and is the pitcher getting through the 7th or at least 6-2/3. Lackey did and I am ok with his game last night because he passed the litmus test--gave up only 4 runs (earned or not earned) and left with his team having a chance to win at 20 to 21 outs. It may not apply as well for the playoffs, but in the regular season, that's all I ask of Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, Lackey, Bedard, Miller. Expect more from the first 2, I guess, but I'm still fine with a SP who can hold the fort.
     
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    In Response to Re: Last nights game : that's right, craze, bedard made one bad pitch. Wakefield has had couple of games where he also made 1 bad pitch, and it resulted in a 2-run or 3-run homer. It happens. It doesn't take away from the overall performance. Look at the individual games, don't judge based on straight ERA, straight Ws for a SP. Is the pitcher giving up fewer baserunners, is the pitcher throwing scoreless frames, and is the pitcher getting through the 7th or at least 6-2/3. Lackey did and I am ok with his game last night because he passed the litmus test--gave up only 4 runs (earned or not earned) and left with his team having a chance to win at 20 to 21 outs. It may not apply as well for the playoffs, but in the regular season, that's all I ask of Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, Lackey, Bedard, Miller. Expect more from the first 2, I guess, but I'm still fine with a SP who can hold the fort.
    Posted by dannycater


    To be completely honest DC?  Lackey did pretty well considering the lineup and also bailed himself out by starting a nice DP.  There were also a couple nice plays that helped him out.  Most importantly, we won the game but was Lackeys pitching performance excellent?  No sorry just decent, I say that only after watching the entire game and how individual circumstances played out each inning. 

    I also believe the ump was far from perfect.  Watching through the eyes of NESN and the "Amica pitch zone" his calls were nothing short of horrible.  However this seemed to go pretty evenly for both teams. 
     
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    I'm complimenting Lackey, I also thought he played great defense. But I'm defending the other SPs as well, who one in particular has taken way too much abuse from fans here. If that SP had Lackey's support, he'd be the one getting accolades and high praise. But it is what it is.
     
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