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    Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/24/2011 11:13 PM EDT

    Imagine someone calling Lackey a "bust" after one transition year and a couple of outings?

    Why, that's almost as foolish as saying "Lackey didn't keep the team in many games last year".

    Hard to believe some of the narrow minded thoughts on this board...
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/24/2011 11:33 PM EDT

    Hard to believe ....  :o)


    Or maybe it's because they DON'T believe in the Sox. 

    Our glass is always at least half full ....

     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/24/2011 11:36 PM EDT

    And 15 IP, 2 Hits, 0 ER for our other gigantic "bust."

    I like where this is headed. Smile
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/24/2011 11:54 PM EDT

    It's no wonder Gm won't admit he's softy.  He bashed Beckett and Lackey into another universe. Jed is on fire. Jake is coming around. Neither was included in the AGon deal. AGon was signed within 2 week of the season start for way more than he expected. VTek is winning, but hitting near zero (Voodoo CERA). Wake has the 3rd best WHIP on the staff.

    All he can harp on the CC deal, and that may change soon as well.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/24/2011 11:55 PM EDT

    And 28 IP  13 HITS  6 ER for our "#4" pitcher - who was referred to as "fat"- and a "(contractual) mistake to extend".
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 12:06 AM EDT

    Lackey must have figured out some mechanics. Or maybe Curt Young helped with his delivery. Either way, it is making Theo look prescient for locking him in.

    This rotation is starting to live up to its hype. If they continue as they did against the Halos, they will be pretty fearsome.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 12:19 AM EDT

    Flapjack, Moon, Harness, Summer,

      Let's not crow just yet .........






      OK, NOW, LET'S CROW!!!!!!!
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 12:36 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST":
    Lackey must have figured out some mechanics. Or maybe Curt Young helped with his delivery. Either way, it is making Theo look prescient for locking him in. This rotation is starting to live up to its hype. If they continue as they did against the Halos, they will be pretty fearsome.
    Posted by summerof67


    Lackey, the "bust", has a vendetta against Scioscia. His motivation to prove himself can cure a lot of ills.

    Dice said he feared a demotion before his 3rd start. Can you imagine how much 'face' he'd have lost in Japan being where the team currently employs Wakefield??

    Fear is a wonderful motivator!
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 1:25 AM EDT

    Beckett should not have been extended before FA, as he could have been extended for a fraction of the price.

    John Lackey 6.35 ERA 1.46 WHIP

    In order to qualify as a coward, one simply has to brag on Slackey after one of Salty's better performances.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 1:35 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST":
    Beckett should not have been extended before FA, as he could have been extended for a fraction of the price. John Lackey 6.35 ERA 1.46 WHIP In order to qualify as a coward, one simply has to brag on Slackey after one of Salty's better performances.
    Posted by BaseballGM


    As a coward, I demand an apology for you, from you, about John so that you may enjoy John as his season progresses and iimproves. 

    I'm afraid I just want you to be able to live happily with yourself.

    Beckett will be more than fine.

    Lackey will at least be fine.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 1:45 AM EDT

    For one to call Lackey a "BUST" after 20% of his contract was met - is an example of poor baseball IQ.

    For one to keep avoiding the statement "Lackey didn't keep the team in many games (in 2010)" is a sign of cowardliness.

    How many of Lackey's 33 starts last year did he "not keep his team in"?
    5th time I've asked him. 5th time he runs from this question.

    How does going by two games samplers taste? How about yellow?
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 2:14 AM EDT

    Answered, despite your attempts to claim the contrary. The "many" was simply a captious attempt to try and deflect the reality of how bad Lackey was in 2010. He was so bad he's the poster child on Yahoo for recent FA busts.
     
    5th time you have repeated the same bogus "question".

    Many - being one of a large indefinite number

    Lackey was paid to be a #1 or #2 performing starter. Did he peform like it? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Some poeple were so stupid they actually thought AGon wasn't going to be traded to all, last winter. And some people fail to define "keep his team in the game" in a pitiful attempt to defend Lackey's embarrassing 2010.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 2:35 AM EDT

    they both have still done little to nothing for the sox besides daisuke's deceptive 18-3 season and lackeys 14 "wins".... both still havent lived up to contracts and expectations.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 3:16 AM EDT

    What are the expectations for Lackey?
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 4:33 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST":
    Answered, despite your attempts to claim the contrary. The "many" was simply a captious attemptto try and deflect the reality of how bad Lackey was in 2010. He was so bad he's the poster child on Yahoo for recent FA busts.   5th time you have repeated the same bogus "question". Many - being one of a large indefinite number Lackey was paid to be a #1 or #2 performing starter. Did he peform like it? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some poeple were so stupid they actually thought AGon wasn't going to be traded to all, last winter. And some people fail to define "keep his team in the game" in a pitiful attempt to defend Lackey's embarrassing 2010.
    Posted by BaseballGM

     

    Try again. Nothing captious about that statement. You have painted Lackey into a dark corner of UR dark mind. You have talked yourself into thinking he's a bust.
    You have said it so often, you actually believe it. Hence the poorly researched statement.

    You are confusing his ability with what the market demanded.
    The RedSox paid for a guy who has averaged 13 wins a year for 9 seasons. They got 14.

    They paid for a pitcher who has a 3.94 LT ERA. They got 4.40, which translates about right given the different venue and level of competition faced. His was compromised by VMART, as was most of the staff. His ERA with Salty/Cash/Tek was 3.31. 

    Is 17 mil a year overpaying for a pitcher who wins 13 a year at 3.94 pitching in CA? That is debateable, depending on UR frame of reference. Is Burnett doing any better? If you feel the team overpaid, fine. But don't blame Lackey for being what he's always been.

    He's a guy who will keep his team in the game over 70% of the time. Last year, it was closer to 80%. He could have won 17 had the team been healthy and produced more runs. He was a work horse who didn't burden the BP. He made every start.

    Your expectations are unrealistic. He was signed to give the staff depth. He wasn't seen as a #2 pitcher on this staff. Lester/Beckett were occupying those spots when they signed Lackey.


    You get an idea into UR head. You parade it over and over like a fool, with little to back up your stance. Then you try to convince people you actually know what UR talking about. Try measuring your opinions against as much criteria as possible. Not just what you choose to support your argument.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 7:17 AM EDT

    In Response to Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST":
    Beckett should not have been extended before FA, as he could have been extended for a fraction of the price.
    Posted by BaseballGM


    Say again?  He shouldn't have been extended because he could have been extended for less?  
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 7:54 AM EDT

    Funny how GM and softy both use the word "captious".
     
    Here's the lowdown on Lackey in 2010: 215 IP / 33 Starts

    19 starts with 3 or less ERs allowed in 6 or more IP.

    For comparative purposes:

    Lester: 208 IP / 32 Starts
    20 starts with 3 or less ERs and 6+ IP.

    Buch: 174 IP / 28 Starts
    19 starts with 3 or lss ERs and 6+ IP.

    Yes, 14 starts with 4 or more ERs is a "large number", but put it in context.

    Try it sometimes.





     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 8:06 AM EDT

    Lackey was paid to be a #1 or #2 performing starter. Did he perform like it? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Lackey was brought in to be a middle of the rotation pitcher...So your already wrong because if you think Lackey was brought in over Beckett and Lester you truly have no clue..he was brought in as a 3-4 starter...His contract is inflated because he was a free agent..welcome to....REALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    He was so bad he's the poster child on Yahoo for recent FA busts.

    Apparently you have no ides what a quality start means..Lackey had 21 of them last year and 2 or threes that were borderline. Real fans of the game and this team would and should be happy with it. If our Bp didn't drop the ball last year, Lackey easily would've been 17-9

    Some people were so stupid they actually thought AGon wasn't going to be traded to all, last winter. And some people fail to define "keep his team in the game" in a pitiful attempt to defend Lackey's embarrassing 2010.

    Your reasoning for bashing lackey and most of the other RS players you bash, and your lack of humility is what is truly embarrassing.

     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 8:28 AM EDT

    "Captious."  I've had that word used in argument against me by only one poster...softy.  I am convinced of GMs pedigree, now.

    As for expectations and Lackey, when Theo signed Lackey, he signed the best starter available at a price no one else was quite willing to match.  He was paying the market price, and having to fend off the bid of the Angels, who have money to spend if they want to, but Theo has been able to outspend now two years in a row.  Quite shrewd maneuvering, simply because it is not frugal, but managing to come out on top (no one who is frugal comes out on top at bidding wars).  Lackey was expected to come in and fill a hole in the rotation.  He did that, and did it fairly well.  Who else was going to come in and win those 14 games, especially once Matsuzaka and Beckett went down with injury?

    As for now, Lackey is the 4th or 5th starter as long as Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz are pitching to their abilities, and depending on Dice-K.  But what Lackey gets paid to do that is immaterial; since Buchh and Lester get paid less, are they EXPECTED to do less?  Lackey would be the #1 or #2 starter on most teams (#2 on the Angels, really).  He is a #4 or #5 getting paid like a #2 because of the excellent starters he is surrounded by.

    The riches of a big market team, well cared for.
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 11:37 AM EDT

    harness, old friend, you are 110% correct. 

    Fear can work wonders.

    But, there is an old Klingon saying:  Revenge is a dish that is best served cold.

    Both can work here, equally well.

    Cool
     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 11:40 AM EDT

    Hey, Yaz!!

    Let the crowing begin!

     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 11:43 AM EDT

    As Casey Stengel used to say, "You could look it up!"

    cap·tious   

    [kap-shuhs]  –adjective

    1. apt to notice and make much of trivial faults or defects; faultfinding; difficult to please.

    2. proceeding from a faultfinding or caviling disposition: He could never praise without adding a captious remark.

    3. apt or designed to ensnare or perplex, especially in argument: captious questions.

     

    Origin:

    1350–1400; Middle English capcious  < Latin captiōsus  sophistical, equivalent to capti ( ō ) a taking, hence, sophism ( see caption) + -ōsus -ous

     

    -from dictionary.com


     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 2:14 PM EDT

    What's Lackey getting paid?  $16 million.  That's the second highest salary on the team.  $16,000,000.  That's 50% more than Dice-K.  That's $1 million less than Beckett.

    For a number 4 starter.  That to me is a bust.  Now, if he can continue to pitch like he's done the past 2 games, then he's a number 4 only in name.  But if he pitches like he did in his first 2 starts, he'll be the #5 starter.  For $16 million.

    Lackey needs to show that he can pitch in Fenway.  He needs to show that he can pitch in an Eastern Time zone. 

     

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    Re: Last two games: 14 IP 10 Hits 1 ER - for the "BUST"

    posted at 4/25/2011 2:42 PM EDT

    Lackey must have lost some weight between starts. That's the only explanation for his improvement.