Re: Lester for Wil Myers?
posted at 11/27/2012 4:08 AM EST
In response to mef429's comment:
howd 2011 work out for us?? all that talent and what did we get from it? its all about role players and team chemistry. we have a core of talent and stars, we have to surround them with the right guys. role players who mesh well with the team.
as for the lester trade i don't think this will happen. while he had a bad 2011 i think its an anamoly moreso than the trend. hes been money every other year and very durable. farrel as the skipper will surely do him good, if the royals make us an offer that we cant refuse then by all means. buh-bye lester. But looking at our needs (PITCHING PITCHING AND MORE PITCHING) i don't see us trading away pitching. Like others said we could fill the hole via FA but there are only 3-4 starters in free agency that i think are better than lester. plus, hes homegrown and loves it here in boston.
a more likely trade is that we send Of help to the royals in exchange for more pitching, not the other way around.
This likely won't happen, but it has never been all about role players. The Red Sox won because of David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon, Curt Schilling, Pedro Martinez, Keith Foulke, Papelbon, Pedroia and Beckett. Only Ortiz was considered a role player when brought in. They surrounded that core with guys like Arroyo, Lowe, Roberts, Millar, Mueller, Varitek, Timlin, Okajima, Lowell and other complimentary pieces. They mixed some homegrown talent and spent money to fill out the roster with premium players. The problem wasn't using free agency, it was who they used it for. John Lackey was a rich man's Jeff Suppan (better past, similar stuff and similar future). Carl Crawford was a poor man's Johnny Damon (lower OBP, much lower walk rate, less to no power, hogged a corner OF spot, couldn't bat leadoff). And Josh Beckett won a ring here and was central to that win. That trade was worth it 100 times over even with how things ended here. The idea is targeting the right free agents not becoming the Oakland As and hoping to win the prospect and platoon player lottery. The Red Sox 'core' consists of Dustin Pedroia. David Ortiz is great and I am thrilled he is back but he is aging and won't likely be here during the next run. Ellsbury is gone after this year. Middlebrooks is no cornerstone franchise player. He is a very solid major leaguer with a ceiling of a fringe All Star because of his power, but nothing more without a marked and unprescedented uptick in pitch selection. That core isn't here right now and thinking it is only borders on delusional. One can argue that core exists in the farm system. It well might but Red Sox fans, myself included, rate our prospects much higher than national evaluators do and that should lend some caution. Only Bogaerts is considered a potential franchise prospect. I think that sells RDL short, but I understand looking at Barnes and Webster and seeing Buch and Arroyo. I also understand the danger of counting on Bradley given how limited his abs have been and that he has yet to see a full season at AA. Remember how untradeable Lars was? How sure fire was he for years? They passed on Tex in part because they felt he could not miss.
What makes this potential trade scenario different is that Lester is not a premium ace in the sense Pedro and Schill were or even in the sense Beckett used to be during an on year. Lester is entering the end of his prime years. At best this team is comparable to the 2002/2005 Red Sox, an utter mess that could luck out with a playoff spot if everything in the universe broke right (see 2005) but that is at least 2 years away from legit contention even if everything is done right. So who will likely be more valuable in 2015, Myers or Lester?