Lester for Wil Myers?

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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    In response to Drewski5's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    nice post drew

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    In response to Drewski5's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    Like I said... " a confluence of what ifs..."

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to Drewski5's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    Like I said... " a confluence of what ifs..."

    [/QUOTE]


    but if ben signs a pitcher or 2 that kind of takes a few of those "what ifs" out of the equation

     
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    In response to mef429's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to Drewski5's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    Like I said... " a confluence of what ifs..."

    [/QUOTE]


    but if ben signs a pitcher or 2 that kind of takes a few of those "what ifs" out of the equation

    [/QUOTE]

    That's what I said and have been saying all along: unless we get a #1 or 2 starter or 2 solid starters, we will not be "srious contenders" unless a "confluence of what ifs" come to be... doubtful.

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to mef429's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to Drewski5's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    Like I said... " a confluence of what ifs..."

    [/QUOTE]


    but if ben signs a pitcher or 2 that kind of takes a few of those "what ifs" out of the equation

    [/QUOTE]

    That's what I said and have been saying all along: unless we get a #1 or 2 starter or 2 solid starters, we will not be "srious contenders" unless a "confluence of what ifs" come to be... doubtful.

    [/QUOTE]


    i have confidence ben will get us a good starter

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    Like I said... " a confluence of what ifs..."

    [/QUOTE]


    but if ben signs a pitcher or 2 that kind of takes a few of those "what ifs" out of the equation

    [/QUOTE]

    That's what I said and have been saying all along: unless we get a #1 or 2 starter or 2 solid starters, we will not be "srious contenders" unless a "confluence of what ifs" come to be... doubtful.

    [/QUOTE]


    i have confidence ben will get us a good starter

    [/QUOTE]

    I do too, but until he does, I am not considering us "serious contenders". I will not judge Ben until this winter is over.

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    Neither Wil Myers nor Jon Lester made Grantland columnist Jonah Keri's list of Top 50 trade values, although Dustin Pedroia came in at No. 29 and James Shields warranted an honorable mention:

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:
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    In response to mef429's comment:
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    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    Like I said... " a confluence of what ifs..."

    [/QUOTE]


    but if ben signs a pitcher or 2 that kind of takes a few of those "what ifs" out of the equation

    [/QUOTE]

    That's what I said and have been saying all along: unless we get a #1 or 2 starter or 2 solid starters, we will not be "srious contenders" unless a "confluence of what ifs" come to be... doubtful.

    [/QUOTE]


    If we get 2 "solid starters", they will want to staret and we already have 4 that WILL be starting the season. We can only get one and sign a couple Cook types for depth...

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    No, they need pitching. 

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    They will get pitching. Im sure theyre working on things involving a trade as well as going over all their FA options. Just because we dont hear about it doesnt mean its not happening.

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    That's what I said and have been saying all along: unless we get a #1 or 2 starter or 2 solid starters, we will not be "srious contenders" unless a "confluence of what ifs" come to be... doubtful.

    [/QUOTE]


    If we get 2 "solid starters", they will want to staret and we already have 4 that WILL be starting the season. We can only get one and sign a couple Cook types for depth...

     

    1) We can never have too much pitching.

    2) Trading  Doubront and or Morales can help bring us a huge upgrade at another position, or...

    3) Doubront can go to the pen if Lackey looks good and nobody is hurt.

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    That's what I said and have been saying all along: unless we get a #1 or 2 starter or 2 solid starters, we will not be "srious contenders" unless a "confluence of what ifs" come to be... doubtful.

    [/QUOTE]


    If we get 2 "solid starters", they will want to staret and we already have 4 that WILL be starting the season. We can only get one and sign a couple Cook types for depth...

     

    1) We can never have too much pitching.

    2) Trading  Doubront and or Morales can help bring us a huge upgrade at another position, or...

    3) Doubront can go to the pen if Lackey looks good and nobody is hurt.

    [/QUOTE]


    I would try and trade Doubie before I waste him in the pen, which by the way already is overloaded with LHP. I like Doubront though and with his impressive K rate, I think hes going to improve.

    What other needs do we have that we cant cover in FA? naps, Swish cover 1b and OF. If we got a solid starter then made some good depth moves, ie; Jiar jurrjens, who may be non-tendered, to a ML deal or someone else like that..

    All Im saying is I dont want to trade away a good starter only to have to find another good starter. doesnt make sense unless its a very distinct upgrade.

    I think we could make a good trade for another 2-3 type pitcher

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    Teams thinking they can win soon but that need pitching and can't afford to sign a good FA pitcher will give up a lot for guys like Doubront and Morales. They should "overpay".

    We have the luxury of being able to sign an Anibal Sanchez or McCarthy/Marcum, and then add a low cost, long controlled younger player via trade by using our "excess pitching".

     
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    This trade will make JBJ available, perhap to Zona for Trevor Bauer?  One mroe solid prospect have to go but this move will make both OF and rotation younger.  

    Lester and prospect for Myers and prospect, 

    JBJ and Rubby for Bauer

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    In response to Drewski5's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to moonslav59's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Signing 2 of Swisher, Naps or Ross without addressing the starting rotation makes us still a "bridge year" team in 2013.

    We were horrible last year. There is no way Naps and Swish (& Gomes & D Ross) can turn us around that quickly, unless a confluence of other "what ifs" all happen at once. Doubtful, to say the least.

    [/QUOTE]

    I disagree.  I think that there are infinite championship equations.  People thinking that you have to have a specific formula (1 ace, 1 #2 pitcher, 2 # 3 pitchers, solid defense, blah blah blah) to win a championship are wrong.

    The truth is that every single championship team has gotten there a different way.  We dont have to have elite pitching to win a world series.  And please dont throw the giants at me as an example because I understand that elite pitching is one of the ways to get there.  But there are infinitely other ways too.

    W/ a lineup of

    Ellsbury

    Pedroia

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Swisher

    Ross

    Gomes/Sweeney

    Salty

    Iggy

    Our pitching only has to be good enough.  Look at the possibilities:

    Lester rebounds

    Buchholz pitches like he did mid-May on (a strong possibility)

    Doubie takes a step forward (a high possibility considering his K rate)

    De La Rosa emerges (throws 97 as a starter, has been successful in a short ML stint)

    Webster takes a step forward

    Lackey recovers strong from Tommy John

    Out of those six, if three happen, we are in good shape.  We could then supplement our pitching via trade (if we sign Swish/Naps/Ross , we still have all our prospects).

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    [/QUOTE]

    I don't see Will Middlebrooks and I see 4 OFers in the lineup... 

     
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    Re: Lester for Wil Myers?

    I wasnt high on Swisher; however, the numbers Ive seen kicked around are suprisingly affordable to me.  I thought he was going to get 5 / 70.  But Im hearing more like 4 / 52.  I jump on that.  He's 32 and is not showing any signs of slowing down.

    Maybe a little bit:

    Age 28-29  .870

    Age 30-31  .830

    If the trend continues, he could be at .790 over the next 2 years combined. I doubt it, but still...

     
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