Lester traded to A's

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    I'm positive 120 mill for 5 years would have sewed up Lester IN ST.

     
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    In response to crazy-world-of-troybrown's comment:

    OK, so expect to pay a minimum of 15+ if you want him back.

     

     




    What? Years?

     
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    Pete Abraham @PeteAbe  ·  5m
    Cespedes and Bradley have 12 OF assists, tied for the major league lead. Maybe Cespedes could throw somebody out at 1B at Fenway.

     
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    LackLester deal by Sox...:-)

     
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    In response to S5's comment:

    Just a thought...

    This has to really suck for Cespedes.  He moves from the contending A's who have a real chance at a WS Championship... to ... Boston.. who may play .400 ball the rest of the way.  Ugh.  

    Any owners who sign previously suspended PED abusers to a big $$ contract are as guilty of perpetuating the PED problem as are the players.

    And I have never posted here under any other names.



    Maybe Lester can let Cespedes touch his world series ring.......if that happens

     
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    Pete Abraham @PeteAbe  ·  8s
    Cespedes contract would not allow for qualifying offer after 2015, #RedSox official said.

     

     
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    Sox are also getting a competitive balance pick. 

    Which is equivalent to a supplemental first round pick. 



    You can also Trade that, if you want.



         The pick comes at the end of round 2.

     
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    In response to dannycater's comment:

    I'm positive 120 mill for 5 years would have sewed up Lester IN ST.




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    I think this might have gotten it done too.  I don't understand the low ball offer back then.  

     
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    Beane curse...they will still not win WS, but Lester will win his starts...

     
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    Pete Abraham @PeteAbe  ·  5m
    Cespedes and Bradley have 12 OF assists, tied for the major league lead. Maybe Cespedes could throw somebody out at 1B at Fenway.



    Not anymore; he's on the same team as Ortiz.

     
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    So if Sox don't resign  or Trade Cespedes, they get a Comp B pick for Lester.

     
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    He'll offer the Sox the "Alex P Keaon Family Discount" which is a whopping 1% OFF

     
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    Pete Abraham @PeteAbe  ·  18m
    #RedSox would have received a supplemental first round pick had Lester left as a FA. Instead they get Cespedes and a 2nd round pick.

     
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    Cespedes could be  very dangerous hitter in Fenway.  I think the idea was to try and be competitive next year, rather than stockpiling even more prospects. Cespedes is a dynamic , all around player. I like him in the Sox outfield and the middle of the batting order. Obviously, Oakland is going for it all this year. They have no chance of re-signing Lester.  The Sox do have the ability to sign Jon in the off season, but it will require the dreaded expensive , long term contract.  I have not seen any indication they are willing to do that. The bidding may well start at 150 mil.

    Stabbed by Foulke.




    You want to put a guy who can barely hit .250 and can't get on even at a .300 clip in the middle of the lineup???? 

    He's a #5 hitter at best, probably a #6 on a good team. 




    [object HTMLDivElement]   First off,  .250 in Oakland should be kept in context. He should hit more in Fenway, both for average and power. While OBP is all the rage, it takes a lot of walks to build a run. We will be better off with a right hand power bat to actually drive in some runs.  Of course, I wouldn't bat him leadoff or second. He is far better than the guys we have at the bottom of the order. So where would you put him?  The middle of the order?  Whether he bats 5th or 6th is trivial. This team has had all kinds of trouble scoring runs. We have been a listless, dull , boring offense all year. He should help correct that. This guy is an exciting, aggressive, dynamic player. A real athlete. He definitely improves our lineup.  I am as sorry to see Lester leave as anyone, but I think we did pretty good.  How many minor league prospects can we accumulate anyway?  At some point, you have to put an interesting product on the field.

     
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    OK, so expect to pay a minimum of 15+ if you want him back.

     

     




    What? Years?


    No money.

     
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    This whole Trade depends now on resigning Cespedes. If he does a Beltre, uses Fenway to drive up his price, I don't know.

     
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    We are all listening to our own arguments but not from the other side.  So let me at least make that attempt.

    I'm fine with the deal, so you know. 

    I could not agree more that keeping Lester is vastly to be preferred, but clearly the Sox didn't think he was affordable.  I also agree $70M was low ball, but I have the strong suspicion that Lester's real price, the one he will actually sign for, is pretty high and probably in the vicinity of $160M-$180M.  And that I think is a little steep.  As I have said on previous threads, Lester is our ace and certainly our most reliable starter by far.  But his WAR has slipped over the last three years, in part I think because he is a lefty who doesn't have a changeup he can rely on. 

    Given the above and the fact that the Sox are going nowhere in 2014, I think the Sox had to peddle him basically as a rental. 

    In return the Sox get a leftfielder with power--not last year's power or two years ago power, but this year's power, 17 dingers (in 4 months) while playing in a pretty big ball park.  On this Sox team he could bat 4th or 5th easily.  His WAR is 3.0, which makes him the 25th best everyday player in the AL.  He has scored more runs, 62, than anyone on the Sox and hit more dingers and batted in a lot more runs than anyone except Ortiz.  Given that Lester was destined to explore free agency, I think Cespedes is a pretty darn good value. 

     
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    If he was under contract at least 2 years I would be in all in on this.

     
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    i like how people automatically assume we just get 1yr of cespedes, but I’m pretty sure we will resign him before he hits free agency. In case people forgot, the sox don’t like handing out longterm deals to pitchers, hitters on the other hand is a different story. Also, we get 1.5 years of cespedes not 1. And i’m willing to bet right now that we will resign him. 

     
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    In response to dgalehouse's comment:

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

    In response to dgalehouse's comment:

    Cespedes could be  very dangerous hitter in Fenway.  I think the idea was to try and be competitive next year, rather than stockpiling even more prospects. Cespedes is a dynamic , all around player. I like him in the Sox outfield and the middle of the batting order. Obviously, Oakland is going for it all this year. They have no chance of re-signing Lester.  The Sox do have the ability to sign Jon in the off season, but it will require the dreaded expensive , long term contract.  I have not seen any indication they are willing to do that. The bidding may well start at 150 mil.

    Stabbed by Foulke.




    You want to put a guy who can barely hit .250 and can't get on even at a .300 clip in the middle of the lineup???? 

    He's a #5 hitter at best, probably a #6 on a good team. 




    [object HTMLDivElement]   First off,  .250 in Oakland should be kept in context. He should hit more in Fenway, both for average and power. While OBP is all the rage, it takes a lot of walks to build a run. We will be better off with a right hand power bat to actually drive in some runs.  Of course, I wouldn't bat him leadoff or second. He is far better than the guys we have at the bottom of the order. So where would you put him?  The middle of the order?  Whether he bats 5th or 6th is trivial. This team has had all kinds of trouble scoring runs. We have been a listless, dull , boring offense all year. He should help correct that. This guy is an exciting, aggressive, dynamic player. A real athlete. He definitely improves our lineup.  I am as sorry to see Lester leave as anyone, but I think we did pretty good.  How many minor league prospects can we accumulate anyway?  At some point, you have to put an interesting product on the field.



    Yes on this team he bats 5th.  On a first division team, he bats lower.

    4 walks = a run yes, but one walk can equal a run on a double/triple/HR just like 2 walks runs on the same...there is synergistic affect to what comes next, it can also move a runner from 1st into scoring position and represents a guy who tends to make a pitcher work more.

    People over estimate ballpark factors....they are real, but they aren't going to add a significant amount....Everyone thought Ellsbury would be a power threat in Yankee stadium. He's on pace to have 3-4 more.  If anything Cespedes should see an uptick in his doubles. 

     

    I like Cespeds, and I think there may be some more upside there....but lets not pretend that a guy who hits .250 and gets on base around .300 is going to be the savior of this offense.  

    Also let me clarify something here in relation to my past posts.  A full year of Cespedes is a better player than a full year of Nava and a full year of Gomes.  I was only pointing out that a properly used Nava/Gomes platoon has actually been as good and maybe even better than what Cespedes offers.

    Perhaps Cespedes can be a .265/.310/.490 player in Boston with good speed and good defense.  And if the Sox resign Lester and that happens....this deal will actually look genius, but for now I remain skeptical. 

    I will say this, if Victorino is healthy we may have one of the best defensive outfields, if not thee best next year. 

     
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    This year means nothing, helps him drive up his price. Especially if he kicks butt next 2 months.

     
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    No pressure on Cespedes to perform, so that's a plus in his debut part season with Sox.

     
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    In response to S5's comment:

    Just a thought...

    This has to really suck for Cespedes.  He moves from the contending A's who have a real chance at a WS Championship... to ... Boston.. who may play .400 ball the rest of the way.  Ugh.  

    Any owners who sign previously suspended PED abusers to a big $$ contract are as guilty of perpetuating the PED problem as are the players.

    And I have never posted here under any other names.




    He'll get over it. He's probably thinking of that nice cozy wall, and his checks when he sign his new deal.

     
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    Gonna be financially painful if we want Jon back at $150 mil + if he gets a ring and 3-4 wins in playoffs and Cespedes does as we expect and hits 30 HRs and we need to compete to sign him too in a year.

     
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    No pressure on Cespedes to perform, so that's a plus in his debut part season with Sox.



    In Boston?? Just the opposite is true.

     
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