Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

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    Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    Lester is all about the money and security. The Sox won't resign him. Trade him in a package and get a core of mid level prospects or get hardly nothing at all.

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    Reading Lester's comments from yesterday, everything sounds just peachy keen between him and the Sox.

    But reading between the lines it sure sounds like he's headed for free agency.  So the nightmare scenario of losing him for a draft pick is a very real possibility. 

    I think your 160-180 million is a bit high but who knows?  Scherzer turned down 144 million.  It's nutty out there and Jon is putting together a career season in his walk year, on top of a brilliant postseason. 

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    He is gone by reading today's mlb trade rumors

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    In response to az55's comment:




    Lester is all about the money and security. 




    Fixed it for you.


     


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    He is gone by reading today's mlb trade rumors


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    How do you figure?


    “Like I said before, I’ve expressed it to them, this is where I want to stay. Regardless of whether we do it tomorrow or we wait until the end of the season, this is where I want to be. Hopefully when we get to the end of the season we can figure something out and get it done.” Of course, as Lester noted, his desire may remain the same, but if he reaches free agency, the club will “just have more competition.”


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    Lester is all about the money and security. 

     

     

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    Fixed it for you.

     

     

     

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    He is gone by reading today's mlb trade rumors

     

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    How do you figure?

     

    “Like I said before, I’ve expressed it to them, this is where I want to stay. Regardless of whether we do it tomorrow or we wait until the end of the season, this is where I want to be. Hopefully when we get to the end of the season we can figure something out and get it done.” Of course, as Lester noted, his desire may remain the same, but if he reaches free agency, the club will “just have more competition.”

     

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    Yeah, I'm not seeing that either.

    He just sounds cautiously non-committal to me.

    Just like his agent asked him to be, most likely.

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    I just hope he is not stringing them along with the idea that they can keep him, only to bolt this winter.


    This line worries me -- "The year ends tomorrow and I go to free agency, it doesn’t mean I don’t want to be a Red Sox. That doesn’t change anything. Now they just have more competition.” Well, yeah...and when it comes to the open market, someone will offer more. He may "want to be a Red Sox," but the days of the "hometown discount" seem to have passed.


    They need to put their best foot forward and try to get something done between now and the deadline. If he gets to free agency, I have a bad feeling he's already as good as gone.

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

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    I just hope he is not stringing them along with the idea that they can keep him, only to bolt this winter.

    This line worries me -- "The year ends tomorrow and I go to free agency, it doesn’t mean I don’t want to be a Red Sox. That doesn’t change anything. Now they just have more competition.” Well, yeah...and when it comes to the open market, someone will offer more. The days of the "hometown discount" seem to have passed.

    They need to put their best foot forward and try to get something done between now and the deadline. If he gets to free agency, I have a bad feeling he's already as good as gone.

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    I think that the message most players try to convey when they're in Lester's position.

    "Get something done now. Don't let me get to free agency".

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

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    Lester is all about the money and security. The Sox won't resign him. Trade him in a package and get a core of mid level prospects or get hardly nothing at all.

    [/QUOTE]CONCUR !!!!


     
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    I just hope he is not stringing them along with the idea that they can keep him, only to bolt this winter.

     

    This line worries me -- "The year ends tomorrow and I go to free agency, it doesn’t mean I don’t want to be a Red Sox. That doesn’t change anything. Now they just have more competition.” Well, yeah...and when it comes to the open market, someone will offer more. He may "want to be a Red Sox," but the days of the "hometown discount" seem to have passed.

     

    They need to put their best foot forward and try to get something done between now and the deadline. If he gets to free agency, I have a bad feeling he's already as good as gone.

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    All he's saying is if he hits FA, it will be harder to get a deal done. That doesn't mean impossible. He'll still probably offer a hometown discount, but the baseline for the discount will be off the highest bid, rather than a guesstimate of "market value." 

    Everything he's saying is simple factual description of how negotiations and markets work, except one thing: he's saying he wants to stay in Boston, affirming that he will go the extra mile to make it work out here. Nothing he says contradicts that. It's just a fact that if he hits FA there will be other bidders; that's not a threat. He even says that having other bidders doesn't change his desire to be in Boston. 

     
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    This will go down as one of the worst blunders in Sox history, which is a pretty tough list to make. Lester is gone --the Red Sox only choice is to trade him for prospects now or make a face-saving bid 50% higher than their insulting opening offer--and lose him to another team anyway. Then they'd have to overpay Lackey to keep him here. I have no inside knowledge, but I'm convinced Lester is done with these people.





    Lester didn't see it as insulting. He saw it as good business:


    Regarding the initial reported four-year, $70MM offer made by the club, Lester expressed no hard feelings, as Bradford reports. “I don’t know if ‘exploited’ is the right word, but they’re business men,” he said. “They didn’t get to own the Boston Red Sox by being stupid with money. … I think they just took a shot and like you said, Larry and Ben and the collective group put that offer out there and that’s what they wanted to start at. We had plenty of talks after that as far as moving money and moving years, moving money, but never got to another offer … .”


     


    Lester is not "done with these people":


    “Like I said before, I’ve expressed it to them, this is where I want to stay. Regardless of whether we do it tomorrow or we wait until the end of the season, this is where I want to be. Hopefully when we get to the end of the season we can figure something out and get it done.”


     


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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    All he's saying is if he hits FA, it will be harder to get a deal done. That doesn't mean impossible. He'll still probably offer a hometown discount, but the baseline for the discount will be off the highest bid, rather than a guesstimate of "market value." 

    Everything he's saying is simple factual description of how negotiations and markets work, except one thing: he's saying he wants to stay in Boston, affirming that he will go the extra mile to make it work out here. Nothing he says contradicts that. It's just a fact that if he hits FA there will be other bidders; that's not a threat. He even says that having other bidders doesn't change his desire to be in Boston. 

     

    Hopefully you're right. I just feel like this is too important to the team's future to let it get to that point if it can possibly be avoided.

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    I don't see much to misread in all of that.  Here's what he said:

    "We've got two ways we can do this - the easy way and the hard way.  The easy way is for us to sit down together and you make me some kind of a reasonable offer that meets my needs and I'll sign it.  The hard way is for you to continue to d--k around until I reach free agency;.  That's when I'm going to start looking at other team's offers and they may start to look pretty good to me.  You choose".  

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

    And I have never posted here under any other names.

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

     

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    'This is where I want to be,' Jon Lester says about the #RedSox,

     

     

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    Look, until Oct. 1, the only thing that can change Lester's value is a major injury that will cause him to miss playing time in 2015.

    From Oct. 1 until the filing deadline after the World Series, the Sox have an exclusive negotiating window with Jon. I am optimistic that they will probably reach an agreement during that window.

    If Jon hits FA, I suspect the Sox will be willing to match any offer up to around $150mm over 6-8 years. If another team comes in and blows him away with a Kershaw-style contract, I don't think the Sox will go there. But the Sox know he's worth Hamels' money, and I think they'll go there if they have to.

     
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    I don't see much to misread in all of that.  Here's what he said:

    "We've got two ways we can do this - the easy way and the hard way.  The easy way is for us to sit down together and you make me some kind of a reasonable offer that meets my needs and I'll sign it.  The hard way is for you to continue to d--k around until I reach free agency;.  That's when I'm going to start looking at other team's offers and they may start to look pretty good to me.  You choose".  

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

    And I have never posted here under any other names.

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    Not quite. He continues to say he doesn't want to negotiate during the playing season:

     

    Though the lefty says that “the conversation had picked up” when the Red Sox reached out most recently, he noted that he “never received a [new] offer.” Boston was, however, at least willing to move its offer into the nine-figure range, Heyman reports. Now, team sources tell Heyman that the club understands and intends to honor Lester’s preference to table discussions for the time being.

     

    But there's still the window after the regular season and before the end of the World Series when they have an exclusive negotiating window.

     
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    I don't see much to misread in all of that.  Here's what he said:

    "We've got two ways we can do this - the easy way and the hard way.  The easy way is for us to sit down together and you make me some kind of a reasonable offer that meets my needs and I'll sign it.  The hard way is for you to continue to d--k around until I reach free agency;.  That's when I'm going to start looking at other team's offers and they may start to look pretty good to me.  You choose".  

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

    And I have never posted here under any other names.

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    Not quite. He continues to say he doesn't want to negotiate during the playing season:

     

    Though the lefty says that “the conversation had picked up” when the Red Sox reached out most recently, he noted that he “never received a [new] offer.” Boston was, however, at least willing to move its offer into the nine-figure range, Heyman reports. Now, team sources tell Heyman that the club understands and intends to honor Lester’s preference to table discussions for the time being.

     

    But there's still the window after the regular season and before the end of the World Series when they have an exclusive negotiating window.

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    You see, there's a conflict there - mixed messages.  

    On the one hand he's saying that he doesn't want to negotiate during the regular season.

    On the other hand he's implying that there was progress made when the Sox reached out, but there was no new offer.

    That tells me that if he's willing to be engaged in a short negotiations but if it becomes protracted he'll wait until the end of the year.

    The sooner they sign this guy the better it's going to be.  1) It removes all this angst (on both parties) about where he'll be next year, and 2) the cost will be less now than it will be later.

    I DO NOT UNDERSTAND the reluctance on the Sox part to get this done.  It's a straight-up no-brainer.

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    You see, there's a conflict there - mixed messages.  

    On the one hand he's saying that he doesn't want to negotiate during the regular season.

    On the other hand he's implying that there was progress made when the Sox reached out, but there was no new offer.

    That tells me that if he's willing to be engaged in a short negotiations but if it becomes protracted he'll wait until the end of the year.

    The sooner they sign this guy the better it's going to be.  1) It removes all this angst (on both parties) about where he'll be next year, and 2) the cost will be less now than it will be later.

    I DO NOT UNDERSTAND the reluctance on the Sox part to get this done.  It's a straight-up no-brainer.

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    Where do you find evidence that the Sox are "reluctant to get this done"? It seems to me that Lester's saying he wants to wait and the Sox are respecting that.

    Apart from that, I agree with you the sooner the better. I also don't want the Sox to play hardball with Lester (I don't think they will). I think this will be the FO's first priority after the regular season, and will get done in October before he reaches FA. 

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

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    I hope you are right but management's treatment of Lester thus far is obviously a sore spot with Red Sox players. See Peavey's comments a few days ago-- his farewell address to the media was really about Lester and how the Sox should work harder to keep him. There is definately animus here and even if we're talking Lester (who seems like a rational guy) I NEVER discount the "disrespect factor" when an athlete has the rare opportunity to play elsewhere. We know he'll get lots of good offers from contending teams. 




    What Peavy comments are you talking about? The ones where he talks about how much he respects the FO? Or where he talks about how he understands the process and accepts that he might be traded? Or where all he asks is not to be blindsided by a trade, and that the FO is being up front with him?


     


    "I have spoke to Ben, just getting a pulse on things. I think when you get to this point, it's a mutual respect thing of, 'Hey, this is where I stand and this is where we stand.' It's nice to not be blindsided by anything, to kind of have some feel," said Peavy. "I certainly would never disclose anything that's personal conversation until the day comes that we have to. That's just out of respect for the process. I'm here. I'm still happy to be here, although an unfortunate situation we're under. But I'll be here tomorrow, lord willing, and get to work."


    Peavy loves Boston, and pitching for the Red Sox. But he also understands the business of baseball.


    "We all are professionals and understand this time of year," said Peavy. "At the same time, our focus is here and trying to figure out a way, me personally, to get better, for Saturday night in Houston. And to help my teammates get prepared to win tonight."


    "This will be the third time my name has really been thrown out there with a legitimate chance to be traded, and I've been traded twice previous," said Peavy. "I do understand what this is like. I don't have any anxiety if it were to happen. I'm going to handle things because I know the whole process. Like I said, it's a difficult one."


    Even though Peavy is the ultimate professional, it is unsettling for any player to wonder if his life will be uprooted in the middle of the season.


    "My life is in Boston -- everything I have," said Peavy. "And to pick up and move to a new city where you don't know anybody, it's challenging times for anybody. But that being said, and having been through it, there's no anxiety about any of that. I really won't comment on anything in the future until really something happens because it does nobody any good."


    "I'll handle it the way I handled it last year and the way I've handled it before," said Peavy. "Just try to continually not lose focus on the task at hand. The task at hand is to come here to work, to get better. It's to get ready to win your next time out. We all certainly understand the situation, the times we're in. At the end of the day, it's not our job to be wrapped up in that."


    "My love for the Boston Red Sox will be unbreakable," said Peavy. "When you, as a player do what we did last year, it was all I ever dreamed of doing. When you do that, this place is held in the highest regard it could ever be held in. That being said, I will always want to do what's best for the Boston Red Sox. That could very possibly be me being moved to save money for the Boston Red Sox or get a player or two or create roster space for somebody to come up and take my spot. That's the reality of the situation.


    "I'll always want to do what's best for Boston, although when I told you about what was so special about last year was the brotherhood that I have with 10 or so guys on this team, and I take pride on being a man, but I hope all y'all aren't around to see me cry like a baby, because if that day does come, it's going to be tough for me to look some guys in the eye and know I'm not going to be on their team."


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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

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    I'll second what Moonslav says, offer him $100 mil. over 5 yrs, take it or leave it.  Yes I'm boring but that is my post here. 

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    100 mil over five years? Lol  yea ok....this board consistently undervalues the market, particularly with their own players. Paps wasnt going to get that money, remember? Ells wasnt "worth" it and would not get those huge offers....now Lester....youre dreaming if you think he's signing for less than 150 million for 6 years....do you like being the KC Royals? then pay your stars what they are worth...

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

    I believe Moonslav's latest offer is 5 years plus an option year, total guaranteed amount for 5 years = 120 million.

     
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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

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    You see, there's a conflict there - mixed messages.  

    On the one hand he's saying that he doesn't want to negotiate during the regular season.

    On the other hand he's implying that there was progress made when the Sox reached out, but there was no new offer.

    That tells me that if he's willing to be engaged in a short negotiations but if it becomes protracted he'll wait until the end of the year.

    The sooner they sign this guy the better it's going to be.  1) It removes all this angst (on both parties) about where he'll be next year, and 2) the cost will be less now than it will be later.

    I DO NOT UNDERSTAND the reluctance on the Sox part to get this done.  It's a straight-up no-brainer.

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    Where do you find evidence that the Sox are "reluctant to get this done"? It seems to me that Lester's saying he wants to wait and the Sox are respecting that.

    Apart from that, I agree with you the sooner the better. I also don't want the Sox to play hardball with Lester (I don't think they will). I think this will be the FO's first priority after the regular season, and will get done in October before he reaches FA. 

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    About two weeks ago Lester said that he's be willing to listen to an offer if it led to a short negotiations, implying that if it's going to be a long negotiations it will have to wait until the off-season. Which BTW could allow other teams to get into the bidding.

    Were I in the FO's seat I'd have been tripping all over myself to get that offer out there but instead I've seen no sign of such an offer.  I see that as reluctance to get it done.  

    Lester gave them a chance in ST to get it done and they shot themselves in the foot by insulting him with that 4/$70 offer.   Now Lester has once again said he'll listen to any offer that leads to a quick settlement... and there still hasn't been that offer.  That's bullet #2 in the foot.  By the time the FO gets done shooting they'll have crippled the team.  Dumb.  Just plain dumb. 

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    Re: Lester will command 160-180 mil and the Sox will lose him

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    Reading Lester's comments from yesterday, everything sounds just peachy keen between him and the Sox.

    But reading between the lines it sure sounds like he's headed for free agency.  So the nightmare scenario of losing him for a draft pick is a very real possibility. 

    I think your 160-180 million is a bit high but who knows?  Scherzer turned down 144 million.  It's nutty out there and Jon is putting together a career season in his walk year, on top of a brilliant postseason. 

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    This will go down as one of the worst blunders in Sox history, which is a pretty tough list to make. Lester is gone --the Red Sox only choice is to trade him for prospects now or make a face-saving bid 50% higher than their insulting opening offer--and lose him to another team anyway. Then they'd have to overpay Lackey to keep him here. I have no inside knowledge, but I'm convinced Lester is done with these people.

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    While Yankee fans such as yourself would love to believe that "Lester is gone", that judgement is premature at best and more than likely untrue. I suppose that some Yankee fans would feel better if Lester left the Red Sox to compensate for their loss of Sabathia and Tanaka, but IMO a Lester deal is going to happen sooner rather than later. Lester wants to stay and the Red Sox want him. Its going to happen.

    WE ARE ALL JUST POPPYSEEDS IN THE BAKERY OF LIFE

     

     

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