Let Jacoby Ellsbury Leave At End Of Season Unless....

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    Let Jacoby Ellsbury Leave At End Of Season Unless....

    Ellsbury is willing to accept a reasonable contract based on past performance and future expectations.  Considering he is 31, his best years are almost behind him without using PED's.  If the Red Sox organization signs Ellsbury to a contract similar to Pedroia's then it would be irresponsible.  I don't like Pedroia's new contract and signing Ellsbury to a similar contract would just be asking for him to sit on the DL, similar to previous seasons.

     
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    Ellsbury is 29 and will turn 30 next month.  He leads the Sox in runs, hits, SB's (by a bunch), and is second on the team in total bases.  He is definitely worth an offer from the FO because nobody on this team or in the Sox system can do what he can do even with his so-so arm.  He might be the fastest player the Sox have ever had. 

    The reason why he is likely to leave is the Sox, even if they offer a Pedroia-like contract, is the Sox are going to be outbid by some other team.  Moreover, Bradley is standing in the wings and is overall a better centerfielder with a much better arm.  The concern is whether he will contribute on offense.  Most think he will, but probably not at the Ellsbury level.  Let's not forget that as recently as two years ago Ellsbury garned more MVP votes than any other position player in the AL and came in second for the MVP to Verlander, who had a great season. 

     

     
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    Boston isnt going to let Ellsbury to leave the team.  The first team in my mind that is going after him hard is the Yankees.  Red Sox isnt going to allow that.  Bradley is still not ready to play every day next year.  Boston is already learned their lesson this year when they thought Middlebrook is ready to play every day.  Just give him 4 years contract at 18m dollars to 5 years contract at 18m.   

     
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    In response to PatsGnome's comment:

    Ellsbury is willing to accept a reasonable contract based on past performance and future expectations.  Considering he is 31, his best years are almost behind him without using PED's.  If the Red Sox organization signs Ellsbury to a contract similar to Pedroia's then it would be irresponsible.  I don't like Pedroia's new contract and signing Ellsbury to a similar contract would just be asking for him to sit on the DL, similar to previous seasons.



    I'd have to agree; this is always good advice.

     
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    How can a Sox fan not like Pedey's contract???

     
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    Ellsbury is willing to accept a reasonable contract based on past performance and future expectations.  Considering he is 31, his best years are almost behind him without using PED's.  If the Red Sox organization signs Ellsbury to a contract similar to Pedroia's then it would be irresponsible.  I don't like Pedroia's new contract and signing Ellsbury to a similar contract would just be asking for him to sit on the DL, similar to previous seasons.

     




    Ellsbury turns 30 on 9/11...He is 29 now and should secure himself a 4-6 year deal. Depending on how he finishes and if he does well in the PS he could get as much as 16M per. Maybe more.

     

    Sometimes you have to sign a player for an extra year or two to secure their services. your ok as long as they are worth it the first few years even if you get just decent production out of the last two.

    Pedey signed a very team friendly deal.

     

     
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    Take off your Fan Hat, and put on your GM hat. Does he give us a better chance at winning games?

    Absolutely, you win Fans will come.

     
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    Re: Let Jacoby Ellsbury Leave At End Of Season Unless....

    We must take into consideratiopn that Scott Boras is the agent for Ells. Believe that he will be shopped around. Hey,give him Pedey money. If you can by a major newspaper, you can sign your major players. Our top 4 batters are all productive and Ells is the only one not signed for next year. Give him the money Napoli may ask for. Poor Nap is in a pretty bad slump.

     OBTW, in the last 30 days Iggy is below the Mendoza line. Napoli cannot avoid setting a RS record for SO. I hope Mids or a free agent can help us at 1B.


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    He sure doesn't look like a guy that hit 32 bombs and drove in 105 anymore, what happened to this guy

     
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    #1. Does Ells give the Sox a better chance to win?  

         - That's an obvious & resounding YES!

    #2.  Could he be replaced with an equal CF'r at a better cost / value in the near term?

         - Highly unlikely, what within the excellent fielding, high avg / OBP / OPS, SPEED to burn!!!!, 

         - The notion that JB is anywhere near that level is laughable!

    #3. Is Ells worth the $18M / yr. for a 5+ year contract that he is LIKELY to command

         - This is the 90+++ MILLION $$$$ question??????

    #4. Which way are the Sox leaning?  

         - It seams CLEAR that Henry & co. are leaning toward gambling that JB can be ready to go in 2014.  Looks like they will let Ells walk.  He's decidedly a west coast boy, & that is where he will land.

    #5. Would I make a run at keeping him at $18M/ yr. 5 yr deal?

         *** Not so sure I would.  15 - 16/yr. 5 yr?  YES!

     

     
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    In response to PatsGnome's comment:

    Ellsbury is willing to accept a reasonable contract based on past performance and future expectations.  Considering he is 31, his best years are almost behind him without using PED's.  If the Red Sox organization signs Ellsbury to a contract similar to Pedroia's then it would be irresponsible.  I don't like Pedroia's new contract and signing Ellsbury to a similar contract would just be asking for him to sit on the DL, similar to previous seasons.



    Ells is gone ..... Not going to pay big bucks with health in question and for what Boras will ask for.

     
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    If you put on your fan hat and dismiss the money part of it then I would bet that most of us love watching Ellsbury play, his defense, base stealing, and speed. He is also a .300 hitter. We are familiar with him and followed him for eight years now.

    OK, now take off your fan hat and put on your GM hat. A lot more to think about. What is the market rate or his value going to be? Do you pay it and for how many years. Does he bring in fans to the park and / or improve TV ratings?  Hot stove season material for sure.

    Tough being a fan and a GM at the same time.



    Ideal spot for Ells is in NY.... short right field would add to his stats.Another Johnny Damon type guy.......Ican see it now..... Maybe take some of A-Rod money that Yanks can keep

     
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    If you put on your fan hat and dismiss the money part of it then I would bet that most of us love watching Ellsbury play, his defense, base stealing, and speed. He is also a .300 hitter. We are familiar with him and followed him for eight years now.

    OK, now take off your fan hat and put on your GM hat. A lot more to think about. What is the market rate or his value going to be? Do you pay it and for how many years. Does he bring in fans to the park and / or improve TV ratings?  Hot stove season material for sure.

    Tough being a fan and a GM at the same time.

     



    Ideal spot for Ells is in NY.... short right field would add to his stats.Another Johnny Damon type guy.......Ican see it now..... Maybe take some of A-Rod money that Yanks can keep

     

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    doubtful. they are trying to slash payroll before the start of the 2014 season.. Not add to it. and with Robbie Cano due to be a FA and will command a supersized contract the Yanks will have some swift manuvering to do if they want to retain him. Unlikely that they resign Granderson or make a move for Ells (or any other big name FAs past Cano for that matter).

    Getting under the luxury tax threshold has been their #1 priority for a few seasons now. They won't have to pay A-roid for next season but most of that money saved will go towards Cano so it's almost a wash.

     
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    If you put on your fan hat and dismiss the money part of it then I would bet that most of us love watching Ellsbury play, his defense, base stealing, and speed. He is also a .300 hitter. We are familiar with him and followed him for eight years now.

    OK, now take off your fan hat and put on your GM hat. A lot more to think about. What is the market rate or his value going to be? Do you pay it and for how many years. Does he bring in fans to the park and / or improve TV ratings?  Hot stove season material for sure.

    Tough being a fan and a GM at the same time.

     

     



    Ideal spot for Ells is in NY.... short right field would add to his stats.Another Johnny Damon type guy.......Ican see it now..... Maybe take some of A-Rod money that Yanks can keep

     

     

     

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    doubtful. they are trying to slash payroll before the start of the 2014 season.. Not add to it. and with Robbie Cano due to be a FA and will command a supersized contract the Yanks will have some swift manuvering to do if they want to retain him. Unlikely that they resign Granderson or make a move for Ells (or any other big name FAs past Cano for that matter).

     

    Getting under the luxury tax threshold has been their #1 priority for a few seasons now. They won't have to pay A-roid for next season but most of that money saved will go towards Cano so it's almost a wash.

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    spot on..... Forgot about Cano

     
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    If you put on your fan hat and dismiss the money part of it then I would bet that most of us love watching Ellsbury play, his defense, base stealing, and speed. He is also a .300 hitter. We are familiar with him and followed him for eight years now.

    OK, now take off your fan hat and put on your GM hat. A lot more to think about. What is the market rate or his value going to be? Do you pay it and for how many years. Does he bring in fans to the park and / or improve TV ratings?  Hot stove season material for sure.

    Tough being a fan and a GM at the same time.

     

     

     



    Ideal spot for Ells is in NY.... short right field would add to his stats.Another Johnny Damon type guy.......Ican see it now..... Maybe take some of A-Rod money that Yanks can keep

     

     

     

     

     

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    doubtful. they are trying to slash payroll before the start of the 2014 season.. Not add to it. and with Robbie Cano due to be a FA and will command a supersized contract the Yanks will have some swift manuvering to do if they want to retain him. Unlikely that they resign Granderson or make a move for Ells (or any other big name FAs past Cano for that matter).

     

     

    Getting under the luxury tax threshold has been their #1 priority for a few seasons now. They won't have to pay A-roid for next season but most of that money saved will go towards Cano so it's almost a wash.

     

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    spot on..... Forgot about Cano

     

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    ya. then again they have Youks 13M coming off of the books as well as Pettite, Kuroda and Mariano who they will no longer have to pay. They might be able to swing Cano and another marquee FA like Ells or Granderson but i think they might be looking at pitching to spearhead. Time will tell.

    I think they bid on Granderson over Ellsbury anyway. Ellsbury is the better overall player because he has a complete game as opposed to granderson who is simply a dead pull power hitter with sub-par defense and massive H/R splits. but i do think that they value the 30+ HRs Granderson is a lock to give them playing half his games at YS. Plus he will come cheaper than Ellsbury due to the aforementioned reasons.

     
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