In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to natepioneer1's comment:
I like your assessment. Buch pitched 189 innings and had 29 starts. That's pretty healthy. and he is only going to be 28. Giving up on Lester would be crazy. Also 28. I can see him going elsewhere and getting back to the Lester you speak of.
That they won't have the pressure of expectations next year means they should see what they have. Again if they are smart, this "rebuliding" may not take too long.
Got curious and I decided to look at the pitchers (obviously not a pretty picture. While I realize that statistics are not the be all and end all, I have often looked at hits and innings pitched. Clearly based on what we saw these stats may not mean much, but here goes anyway.
There are some pitchers that we know will be back, because they are the teams best maybe best of a bad lot, but you have to start somewhere. In bold are the ones with positive.
Will be back
Lester isnâÂÂÂÂt going anywhere. It is more important that he get back to what he has been. Buchholz is their best now. Tazawa did very well. They arenâÂÂÂÂt about to give up on Bailey this quickly.
Probably be back, but then again
Doubront came a long way, I think they need him in there somewhere. Bard was a disaster, but he is only 27 and I would not give up just yet. Miller had a decent yea. Everyone likes Morales âÂÂÂÂstuffâÂÂÂÂ. Might try to trade from this group.
None of them makes anyone go wow, but then did anyone get all excited about the OâÂÂÂÂs BP before the season started? If they can get something in trade, sure, butâÂÂ¦..
Are you ready to throw Melancon away. He did pitch a bit better late. Atchison keeps hanging around. Hill had some good moments.
Then there is Lackey and like it or not, he will on the team.
Now that is 15 pitchers. 10 have positive IP/hits. All four of the negatives above will likely be back. Clearly not everyone above will be on the team as there are only 11 or 12 spots and I am assuming that they will be bringing in new blood. If they donâÂÂÂÂtâÂÂ¦âÂÂ¦.
Gone are Matsuzaka, Aceves, Padilla, Cook and a lot of others
Lets keep one thing in mind. The Red Sox are not going to be a playoff team next year and trying to go for the quick fix is crazy. Hopefully they bottomed out and next year will be an improvement. One thing that struck me is that some teams of which little was expected got better as the season progressed. They had little or no expectations and went with their youth to build for another year.
Washington was expected to be better, but no one expected wire to wire. Oakland was not exactly high on the list and see what they did and of course there are the Orioles. Cincy was another somewhat surprising team. Teams that got better late, Seattle, San Diego, Milwaukee. They have set themselves up for the future. Seattle is a good case in point. They were terrible at the beginning, and had no place to go but up. They went with the kids and got them some major league experience. Keep in mind that it was not until The Deal that the Red Sox waved the white flag. At that point there were only 40 or so games left. Granted it got bad, but at some point, there might have been improvement like with Seattle. They need to commit to rebuilding and developing thei younger assets. If they do that, it may not take too long to get back. I am willing to write off 2013 as a development year and hopefully they can be competitive. Then maybe in 2014, they could be MOST, not all of the way back.
Feel free to tear this apart.
I think the rotation Will be Buchholz, Lester, Lackey, and Doubront. Most likely they will look to trade or look at the FA guys for another arm and give 2-3 guys already here a shot at the 5th spot as well.
Lester, I believe, is not the guy we saw this year. In the 4 years prior to 2012 he has a 65-32 record and an ERA of 3.30 topping 200+ IP a year. Things got bad and just snowballed. Im sure he learned a lot about himself this year and I believe he will come back strong in 2013. Buchholz needs to stay healthy for once and top 200IP. Both of the two can give this team over 30 wins if they pitch to their potential. Both are just entering their prime and there is no reason they cant do this.
Lackey will be back and could surprise.
Tazawa has come back strong from TJS and could compete for a spot in the rotation. I have no issue with that or leaving him as a set-up 7-8th inning guy. Maybe even a closer one day.
Doubie had a solid year with a very strong finish. I look for 200IP from him next year and he also has what it takes for 15+ wins and a lot of K's.
Bailey will be the starting closer in 2013 and it will be his job to lose.
I like what I saw from Melancon and Beato. Both are still young and dont hit arbitration until 2014. Melancon proved he can handle pressure situation like in NY the other night. He looks to have a more aggressive attitude out there now. Both are keepers IMO.
The Sox currently have too many LHP in the pen. Breslow, Hill, Miller, Morales. I think Breslow should stay and believe one or two of Miller, Hill, and Morales will be traded this winter. They dont need 4 LHP in the pen.
Not sure if Mortensen or Aceves will be back. To me, the are both on the bubble along with Hill Morales and Miller, but the latter 3 for different reasons.
Atch has been steady throughout his time in Boston. Has age finally caught up with him? A ST invite would not upset me.
Daniel Bard is still young and should be given the opportunity to see if he can regain his velocity again. He can be a very valuable piece of the 2013 Bullpen if he can do this.
Def gone are Dice, Padilla, and Cook.
Well, thats where I stand as far as what I feel about our pitching situation.
Weve got a ton of in-house talent to fill out the Bullpen, although there will be a bunch of ST invites from outside the organization and from the farm system as well.
I think they need to acquire one solid starter...They will also seek depth moves like Cook and Stewert...