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    lets start to clean out

    two of the real big slashes has to be lackey and becket.so the sox have
    bucholtz and lester.anyone else in the rotation is tradeable.next year
    in the lineup they need two big bats.this team is not that far away so
    put becket and lackey on waivers when you can and move on.lay the
    groundwork for next year now.
     
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    The answer is : The pitching stinks.

    Getting rid of Lackey and Beckett is okay with me, but getting "two big bats" doesn't improve a lack luster pitching staff.

    It is not time to "lay the groundwork for next year" , that time has passed. It is time to lay the groundwork for 2015.

    You can't turn a pro sports franchise around that quickly unless you go after high priced free agents as a quick fix....and we know how that strategy played out.

    No more quick fixes. Build for the future-yes. But that future needs to be 3-4 years down the road.

    Forget next year , this franchise has too many problems to fix it right away. Patience and planning will work, but nobody seems to have much of that.
     
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    I am not sure that trading Beckett and especially Lackey is going to be easy.

    Who would want to give up good prospects or young major league ready players and take on their huge salaries?

    Both guys will probably make some sort of recoveries with new teams, but are very unlikely to ever be number one pitchers on good teams.  Which teams will want to pay $15M per year for a #3 or #4 starter?

    Can (or will) the Red Sox afford to pay for replacement pitchers AND pay these guys to pitch for other teams?

    The Sox may be stuck with at least one of these guys for the duration of his contract.  Which one?  Both? Who knows.

    Adding to this is my concern that the Red Sox (upper level or even field management) never seem to be able to coach these guys as to how to handle the media crush that they are certain to face when they get big salaries and then do not perform well enough to match their pay checks.

    Neither Beckett or Lackey come off as lazy players and I am sure that they are driven to succeed, but if both had been able to handle the media better each guy would be much more acceptable to the fan base.  Playing poorly is one thing, but acting poorly is just hard to handle for both the media and the fan base.
     
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     Some One Else Can Finsh.....The List...
     
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    In Response to Re: lets start to clean out:
    [QUOTE]The two losses to the Yankees had nothing to do with "lackluster" pitching staff. Overall, the media's bugaboo that "it's Beckett and Lester's" poor performance is nonsense. It's a pitifully inconsistent offense and a lack of Players' player leadership. Get rid of Beckett, it will create a new players' leadership vacuum that will be filled by something that will demand more player accountablity. That will change the character of the team, immediately. Study the 2009 through 2012 Yankees.
    Posted by TrotterNixon[/QUOTE]

    I'm basing my thoughts on the whole season , not just three games versus the Yankees.

    Key offensive stats- #3 in run scored, #8 in batting, #5 in slugging.

    Key pitching stats-ERA - #23 ,Earned runs allowed- #7 (where #1 is worst), runs allowed - also #7 ( where #1 is worst), Shutouts- #26 (where #1 is best).

    This team ranks in the bottom half of MLB in most all pitching categories. They have some decent offensive stats, especially when you consider Crawford, Ellsbury,Middlebrooks, Ortiz and Pedroia have either missed time with injury or played with injury for extended time.

    Acquiring "big bats" is backward thinking, dumping Beckett and Lackey ( a guy who hasn't contributed to those horrible pitching stats, by the way) is a positive step, but you must have a plan to replace them with pitchers who are better or else you fall back into the same boat or worse.

    Beating teams into submission with offense doesn't work in baseball. NO PITCHING= LACK OF SUCCESS.
     
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