Re: LF and backup 1B
posted at 1/6/2013 5:00 AM EST
Please explain how we let Morales go elsewhere? Last I checked we didn't have first right of refusal on any and all players traded by the Angels. Who traded a player that was a misfit with them and parlayed that into the aquisition of a veteren lefthanded starter in Vargas...a trade that on paper helped both teams...
I think you may be overvaluing Vargas: his numbers were helped enormously by playign so many games in Seattle as well as a good share in ANA(5th most IP) and Oak (4th most IP). I think we could have offered Morales and Jacobs or Tazawa and got him.
Regarding Napoli, you're assumption is that they're tryng to get out from under the deal. When in fact they're simply protecting thier best interest after seeing his medicals...something they're not privy to before signing him. If the guys hip is such that it's likely he'll need surgery in the short term to fix it...the deal would already have been torn up...
I never assumed we were trying to get out of the deal. I was hoping we were. I am assuming we are trying to protect ourselves by shortening the deal or putting in a pre-existing injury clause.
As for the rest of the roster and the moves made by Cherington. I don't think you've given much thought to the contract status of the players that represent the nucleaus nor are you factoring into your projections the turnover of many of the players under contract and the expected timeline for our top prospects to arrive (Barnes, Bradley and Bogharts late 2014 or 2015).
I have put too much thought into it already. I totally understand why these guys were signed for 1-2-3 years and not 5. Just because I disagree with the plan does not mean I don't understand it.
In the end it's clear to me that while they'll continue to try to field a competitive team. It's not going to be done in one offseason...None of the contracts signed wil prevent them from adding and subtracting while they remake the team in search of the commponants nessasary to compete for all the marbles...So if you actually took the time to take a step back and see the forest...It's failry clear to me that in the process of retooling the club that the aqusition of player like Victorino was made in an attempted to bridge the gap in center between the departing Ells and the arrival of Bradley Jr. with only 2015 a season where Victorino could be come expendable...As was the signing of Drew which allows them another season to continue to see if Iglesias can indeed make the jump and if the answer is no then they'll simply move on and keep manning the position on a year to year basis until another of our SS prospects prove worthy Bogharts timeline looks to be sometime in 2015 or 2016 based on league age...
Again, I understand teh timing, but am certain this plan is wrong. Ben played it halfway and there is really no way of not seeing this forest before us. We will not come close to winning in 2013, and we will have a budget close to the luxury limit.
We spent a huge amount of money on more FAs than I have ever seen us sign-- all during the weakest FA class winter in memory. That is the forest you are refusing to see. Who cares if these gusy are signed for no longer than 3 years. They were signed. Limited money was wasted, and we are no better off for 2014 or 2015 than we were before this winter began, with the possible slight contributions by Victorino and Naps at the end of their prime at $26M combined per year. Even in today's inflated market, $26M a year is a superstar player- not 2 aging role players with serious flaws.
This year the two most important players on our roster are Middlebrooks and Lester..both hold the keys to future needs and or can be counted as part of the future...
Lester is a FA after 2014.
Moon, I get that we've all become somewhat spoiled by the successes of the the team circa 2003-2008 and we're all disapointed by the lackluster results if the last 5 years...I too think that Henry and the Red Sox leadership team deserves all of the second guessing and mistrust that is eminating from the fan base and the local mediots...
I am not acting like a spoiled fan. I was willing to sacrifice some of our competitiveness in 2013 and maybe even 2014 for a strong run at future rings.
That said, I think that we also have to place our faith that given the changes in leadership and that Henry, Werner and specifically Luccino have already demonstrated that they know who to build a model that works. Have to trust that the means will justify the ends and that Cherinton under the guidance of Luccino will in the end produce results that re-invigorate the fan base and within the next 3 to 5 years field a team worthy of the distiction of representing one of the most storied franchises in baseball history!
I think it is a pretty sad state of Sox management to have to say that the best move we have made since the Nomar trade was the salary dump deal with the Dodgers (well, maybe the Schilling trade sneaks in there). That's about 8 years in between.
Resting on your laurels is a dangerous thing.
I was not very critical of Ben last year. I knew his hands were tied. I knew the budget restricted him greatly.
The Dodger trade broke the paradigm and nearly wiped the slate clean. Now, we are back to square one, but with shorter term deals. When we lose again next year, the mirage will be exposed, and we can talk about the vigor of the fan base at that time.
I hope to God I am wrong. I will gladly apologize to each and everyone of you if that champagne is flowing in the next couple years. I just don't see it, but that is not what upsets me at all, since I didn't expect a ring until maybe 2015 (2014 if lots went right). What upsets me is that with all the money spent this winter, I do not see one move that provides us with a bonafide player who rates to be highly productive in 2014 or 2015. None.
I can't see why this doesn't bother that many posters here.